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Old Jan 31, 2004 | 11:36 AM
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I just picked up my Mini 2 days ago and am keeping to the break in procedure, but I did accidently go to 5000 rpm and the EML and service soon light came on. The kept running (barely) and I came to a stop. After turning the engine off and back on everything was fine. Just to see what would happen, I again pushed it easily to 5K rpm and the same thing happened again. At first I thought the computer might be in break-in mode but I don't think this mode exists. has anyone ever had this happen? Other than this is runs perfectly and I am very happy to finally be motoring.
 
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Old Jan 31, 2004 | 11:53 AM
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It could be that since your car is still in the break-in period, the program routine automatically shuts down the engine when you rev past 5K to prevent accidental damage. It is normal for your EML and Check engine light to come on, specially after the engine stalls.


Now, if the EML light stays on and you can't rev the car past 3K RPM, it means that the computer has gone into "Fail safe mode" and you would need to have the car towed to the dealership.

If you still are concerneed, book the car at the dealer for a service visit and havethe tech check your car's computer for error codes stored in memory, if any.

Last but not least, avoid the temptation of overring your car past 4.5K RPM during the duration of the break in period (First 1,250 miles).

Congrats on your car!
 
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Old Jan 31, 2004 | 11:53 AM
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Something is wrong. No brake-in-mode in computer that I know of. If its still doing it, I'd get to my dealer asap.

 
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Old Jan 31, 2004 | 01:19 PM
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you might be getting knock detection. How sure are you about the
gas that's in there? Good/bad? dealer accidentally put in 89oct?
 
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Old Jan 31, 2004 | 01:30 PM
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The MINI's engine has automatic knock sensor detection, so even if you pour by accident 87 or 89 octane gas (Or there is no 91+ octane availability) the computer automatically retards detonation to prevent internal engine damage.


Putting lower octane fuel will not cause the engine to quit at high RPMs. Unless you have put contaminated gas with water or bad gas that may give you more diverse driveability problems.
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Old Jan 31, 2004 | 01:37 PM
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This is not normal. Go back to your dealer ASAP.
 
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Old Jan 31, 2004 | 02:49 PM
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Don't despair. I had the same thing happen with my MCS. Mine was a loose clamp on the intake boot for the supercharger. Fortunately the dealer I took it to had had it happen once before so the diagnosis was quick. They explained that as the pressure builds at higher RPMs the boot "leaks" air and the Mini protects itself by shutting down. It's a quick repair.
 
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Old Jan 31, 2004 | 03:12 PM
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I definitely had my car over 5k rpms a couple of times during break-in, and had no such thing happen. I'm with the others who have told you to get it checked out ASAP.
 
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Old Jan 31, 2004 | 03:33 PM
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>>I definitely had my car over 5k rpms a couple of times during break-in, and had no such thing happen. I'm with the others who have told you to get it checked out ASAP.

DITTO :smile:

I've not heard of this ... to date
Hope it works out ...

Peace,
D

 
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Old Jan 31, 2004 | 04:00 PM
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I had the same thing happen, it was a loose connector on the number 3 injector, I used my scan tool and was able to tell the dealer what to check for. The tech insisted it was a broken valve spring I was so happy to prove him wrong.

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Old Jan 31, 2004 | 04:09 PM
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I called the dealer and they said there is no break-in mode. Since it only happens at 5000 rpm, should I wait until the break-in time is over? Or should I admit to taking it over 4500 rpm's and take it in? The engine never actually completely died, but only ran enough to bring to a stop. Turning it off and then back on made the EML light go off and the engine run normal again.

Thank you for everyones input. With so many members on here, I figured that this had to have happened to someone out there.
 
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Old Jan 31, 2004 | 04:16 PM
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One more thing:

I am not sure what kind of fuel is in it. Mini of the Hamptons told me that they fill the tanks with premium, but the transport company drains the fuel for transport and then refills it at the destination depot before it is loaded on a flatbed for the last little trip to your door.

If was bad fuel would it run normal as soon as I lift the trottle?

I doubt is a fuel injector conection because it runs beautifully under 5000rpm. There is no stumble what so ever, and no yo yoing at all. It is a '04 with a 11-14-03 build date.
 
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Old Jan 31, 2004 | 05:21 PM
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Since you should not excceed the 4500 rpm, and in spite of others exceeding 5k rpm without a problem, I would guess that there is a program in the ECU that turns the SES light on whenever the 4500 rpm is exceeded. Now, since the engine runs perfectly otherwise, why don't you just drive as you would without exceeding the 4500 rpm engine speed and see what happens. If nothing happens, no stalls, etc. I'd just continue driving according to the Instruction Manual for the duration of the break in period of approx. 1500 miles. After the break in period, try going above 5000 rpm.

On the other hand, if the SES light comes on even if you're under 4500 rpm, then take it immediately to your dealer.

My 2 cents worth.
 
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Old Feb 2, 2004 | 10:42 AM
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Take it in now. This is not normal. That you accidently came over 4.5krpm is not an issue.
 
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Old Feb 2, 2004 | 11:09 AM
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mmm, no, this should happen. I was keeping up with chad/ryan this weekend with my MCS and (merging) accidentally hit 5,200ish RPM briefly, with only 80mi
on the "clock". Otherwise, I'm **** about keeping it under 4,500RPM. So no, this is not normal...
 
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Old Feb 2, 2004 | 12:08 PM
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>>Something is wrong. No brake-in-mode in computer that I know of. If its still doing it, I'd get to my dealer asap.
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Still doing it or not I would get to the dealer! Mine is an MCS and it never did that (and I was above 5000)

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Old Feb 3, 2004 | 06:46 AM
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[to my knowledge] there is self destructing code for the break-in period, however it has NOTHING to do with the rev limiter. As d-mini-ero, zfxr, and chrisnl have noted, going above 4500RPM does not trigger any sort of rev-limiter or break-in warning. I had MM2 over 6k RPM on the way home from the dealership

Take it to the dealership ASAP, Two Dogs is probley right about the loose clamp.
 
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Old Feb 3, 2004 | 07:09 AM
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Ok, Thanks for all the input! I am callling the Dealer this morning!
 
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Old Feb 3, 2004 | 12:49 PM
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Two Dogs! You are the winner!

It was a loose clamp on the rubber boot between the SC and intercooler.

runs great now!
 
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Old May 6, 2024 | 04:07 AM
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Originally Posted by RLmini
Two Dogs! You are the winner!

It was a loose clamp on the rubber boot between the SC and intercooler.

runs great now!
I have the same problem on my mini s 2003 model yet the loose clamp you referred to I can't seem to find it
 
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Old May 6, 2024 | 10:22 AM
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Holy necro thread, Batman!
 
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