Hey Pittsburgh--exciting news!
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From: Yinzer in Exile
Everyone start dreaming of all the mods they'd love to have done and all the places for a cool introductory meeting because Pittsburgh is getting a new MINI enthusiast....
Graham (aka mckinneymini) is abandoning his Texas home for the 'burgh!!!
And he's bringing his MINI tuning business with him!!!
PittStop MINI people (and all Pittsburgh motorers in general): Do you think we could work up a little welcome shindig for Graham? I don't know exactly when he'll be here--in a few weeks, is the general timeframe. I thought perhaps we could rustle up some people to meet at Primantis (or somesuch paragon of Pittsburgh gustation) and shower him with affection, goodwill and Iron City Beer (or Penn, if we want to break him in slowly
). This is HAPPY!
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Our loss is your gain. Be prepared to welcome an Enthusiast, with a capital "E". I don't know what the roads are like out there but most of you can count on seeing the boot of his CR/W MCS 'cause his baby is a rocket!
The members of the metroplexMINI group here in the Dallas?Ft Worth area as well as far across this large state can attest to Graham's enthusiasm, integritry and the weight of his right foot! Of course we're not really losing him, he leaves a well trained partner in the Chandler Motorsports organization, his son Josh, and of course Graham will always be a phone call away.
Take care of our Guru!
The members of the metroplexMINI group here in the Dallas?Ft Worth area as well as far across this large state can attest to Graham's enthusiasm, integritry and the weight of his right foot! Of course we're not really losing him, he leaves a well trained partner in the Chandler Motorsports organization, his son Josh, and of course Graham will always be a phone call away.
Take care of our Guru!
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That's all fine and dandy but you should know Graham lived in Florida years before moving here... You guys are gonna have to work real hard to make him stay!! 
Hint: Get him a heavy coat because I doubt he owns one!! And show him some twisty roads and he'll stay. HE HE!
We're going to miss him!
Laters!
Hint: Get him a heavy coat because I doubt he owns one!! And show him some twisty roads and he'll stay. HE HE!
We're going to miss him!
Laters!
(....I definitely gotta get out more)
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From: Yinzer in Exile
Hey Ches... you should tag along as a stow-away in the MINI 
) local beers and our EXCELLENT ( ) sports teams, he'll never want to leave!
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Well it's all true, we're getting a corporate relocation and will probably try to find a home in the SE suburbs such as Murreysville or Monroeville but we'll see how all that works out. If our home here sells fast we'll be there quite soon. I've already toured the area and it all looks promising.
I think I'll go check out the Yahoo site and see what's going on there.
Graham
I think I'll go check out the Yahoo site and see what's going on there.
Graham
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Welcome to the area! I'm sure you'll find the local roads provide plenty of twists, turns and hill climbing to satisfy any needs. Let us all know when you plan to arrive in town and I'm sure a welcoming contingent will find their way out of the woodwork, particularly if it all ends up somewhere that makes a good brew.
If you have any questions before you come, post them or e-mail some Pittsburgh folks. Not much the locals like to do more than talk up our city.
Brian
If you have any questions before you come, post them or e-mail some Pittsburgh folks. Not much the locals like to do more than talk up our city.
Brian
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Cool! I've already had some Rolling Rock and it's gooood! Starting to feel at home already! Anybody else have 200HP at the wheels in the area? Here's a question. My realtor told me I would need all season tires. I am not going there!!!!!!!! What do y'all think? I love the grip of my Yokohamas.
Graham
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McKinneyMini,
As a recent transplant to the Pittsburgh area myself I'd like to extend an early welcome. It would be nice to have someone with your expert advice in the area.
Some things I have noted about the area already that you might find useful:
1.) If you like DECENT beer stay away from Iron City. Ice Light is decent but plain iron city will grow hair on your bum
Stick with Yuengling (Lager/Porter/Black&Tan).
2.) It gets down right cold around here. You will learn that snow comes down sideways as it is often windy around here.
3.) Bring your love of texas sports teams with you because the Steelers are in sad shape (not that my Eagles are doing much better).
4.) There are some good late night food places around here. Primani's is good as well as some place I got a sandwich from that was on a pretzel (can't remember the name of the place).
5.) There are some twisty roads out there in the suburbs, just watch out for deer (no armodillo's here ).
6.) "Polar Weighted Underwear" will become a new phrase in your vocabulary.
Let us know when you are coming in and we will throw ya a shin-dig!
- Driving Hamster
As a recent transplant to the Pittsburgh area myself I'd like to extend an early welcome. It would be nice to have someone with your expert advice in the area.
Some things I have noted about the area already that you might find useful:
1.) If you like DECENT beer stay away from Iron City. Ice Light is decent but plain iron city will grow hair on your bum
Stick with Yuengling (Lager/Porter/Black&Tan).2.) It gets down right cold around here. You will learn that snow comes down sideways as it is often windy around here.
3.) Bring your love of texas sports teams with you because the Steelers are in sad shape (not that my Eagles are doing much better).
4.) There are some good late night food places around here. Primani's is good as well as some place I got a sandwich from that was on a pretzel (can't remember the name of the place).
5.) There are some twisty roads out there in the suburbs, just watch out for deer (no armodillo's here
).6.) "Polar Weighted Underwear" will become a new phrase in your vocabulary.
Let us know when you are coming in and we will throw ya a shin-dig!
- Driving Hamster
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Ok here's another question about moving my MINI business to Pittsburgh. Does anyone know of some commercial garage space I could use? One or two bays with air tool capability and a lift?
In Dallas I own 8 bays but this is now a startup business and I need something economical while I get up on my feet.
Graham
In Dallas I own 8 bays but this is now a startup business and I need something economical while I get up on my feet.
Graham
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>>McKinneyMini,
>>
>>As a recent transplant to the Pittsburgh area myself I'd like to extend an early welcome. It would be nice to have someone with your expert advice in the area.
>>
>>Some things I have noted about the area already that you might find useful:
>>
>>1.) If you like DECENT beer stay away from Iron City. Ice Light is decent but plain iron city will grow hair on your bum Stick with Yuengling (Lager/Porter/Black&Tan).
OK the Porter sounds good. Do you guys have "pubs"?
>>
>>2.) It gets down right cold around here. You will learn that snow comes down sideways as it is often windy around here.
Tailwinds are often good, without a top speed limiter on my car, a 30mph tailwind really helps!
>>
>>3.) Bring your love of texas sports teams with you because the Steelers are in sad shape (not that my Eagles are doing much better).
If you are talking about the Cowboys, we're in a sorry state too!
>>
>>4.) There are some good late night food places around here. Primani's is good as well as some place I got a sandwich from that was on a pretzel (can't remember the name of the place).
That's good news, we eat out a lot!
>>
>>5.) There are some twisty roads out there in the suburbs, just watch out for deer (no armodillo's here ).
I've seen them, I just didn't have my MINI! In a realtor's Chevy Trailblazer. OMG!!
>>
>>6.) "Polar Weighted Underwear" will become a new phrase in your vocabulary.
We'll take that one step at a time. I don't own much underwear!
>>
>>Let us know when you are coming in and we will throw ya a shin-dig!
Great! Right up my alley!
>>
>>- Driving Hamster
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>>As a recent transplant to the Pittsburgh area myself I'd like to extend an early welcome. It would be nice to have someone with your expert advice in the area.
>>
>>Some things I have noted about the area already that you might find useful:
>>
>>1.) If you like DECENT beer stay away from Iron City. Ice Light is decent but plain iron city will grow hair on your bum
Stick with Yuengling (Lager/Porter/Black&Tan).OK the Porter sounds good. Do you guys have "pubs"?
>>
>>2.) It gets down right cold around here. You will learn that snow comes down sideways as it is often windy around here.
Tailwinds are often good, without a top speed limiter on my car, a 30mph tailwind really helps!
>>
>>3.) Bring your love of texas sports teams with you because the Steelers are in sad shape (not that my Eagles are doing much better).
If you are talking about the Cowboys, we're in a sorry state too!
>>
>>4.) There are some good late night food places around here. Primani's is good as well as some place I got a sandwich from that was on a pretzel (can't remember the name of the place).
That's good news, we eat out a lot!
>>
>>5.) There are some twisty roads out there in the suburbs, just watch out for deer (no armodillo's here
).I've seen them, I just didn't have my MINI! In a realtor's Chevy Trailblazer. OMG!!
>>
>>6.) "Polar Weighted Underwear" will become a new phrase in your vocabulary.
We'll take that one step at a time. I don't own much underwear!
>>
>>Let us know when you are coming in and we will throw ya a shin-dig!
Great! Right up my alley!
>>
>>- Driving Hamster
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<<<4.) There are some good late night food places around here. Primani's is good as well as some place I got a sandwich from that was on a pretzel (can't remember the name of the place).>>>
Was it Pretzel Works (I think that's the name), on the Southside? If yes, then YUMMMMMMM!
<<<1.) If you like DECENT beer stay away from Iron City. Ice Light is decent but plain iron city will grow hair on your bum Stick with Yuengling (Lager/Porter/Black&Tan).>>>
Of course, nobody REALLY likes Panther ****, but living here it's required that you down at least a pint at some point in your life. ) It's so hard to find the perfect neutral place around here--you know: not work, not home and no pressure.
Was it Pretzel Works (I think that's the name), on the Southside? If yes, then YUMMMMMMM!
<<<1.) If you like DECENT beer stay away from Iron City. Ice Light is decent but plain iron city will grow hair on your bum Stick with Yuengling (Lager/Porter/Black&Tan).>>>
Of course, nobody REALLY likes Panther ****, but living here it's required that you down at least a pint at some point in your life.
) It's so hard to find the perfect neutral place around here--you know: not work, not home and no pressure.
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A few more pointers from someone who came to the area 10 years ago:
On garage space: given the general decrease of industry in the area you shouldn't have too much trouble locating something. If you are looking to attract people to it, just consider accessibility from other parts of the city. Given the frequent need people native to Pittsburgh have an odd issue with crossing the rivers. Obviously easy access to a major roadway is good.
On Local Flavor: Whatever your food interests are, you'll find something here. Although you will likely be disappointed in the available Tex-Mex options. Plan on switching to a more German and Eastern European oriented cuisine. Primanti's is a must, and I'll recommend Pamela's (Oakland, Squirrel Hill or Shadyside) for breakfast. Don't wait too long before checking out the Church Brew Works right on Liberty Avenue in town. Yeungling Lager is my pick for best generally available beer, although Penn Pilsner is remarkably good for something on tap at a lot of local bars. Many local brewers make a pretty good stout as well.
On pubs: recent years have been tough and a couple choice ones recently closed. I'll second the vote for Dunnigan's (Regent Square) as a place worth stopping by if you are in the area.
On neighborhoods/towns: people will regard you based on where you live. Don't be surprised if folks want to get into a detailed discussion of your geographical location. It seems to be necessary for forming a full first impression. Even after living here for a while I still have trouble keeping up with all the nuances.
On roads: Head south towards route 88 and California, PA and then east towards 711 and Ligonier for some excellent local twisty roads. Get a good local atlas and just drive.
On Mandatory Experiences: As soon as you get a chance, go up the incline to the top of Mt. Washington downtown and view the city. It will really make you appreciate moving here. This year "Light Up Night" is November 21st. If you can do it that evening, even better!
Brian
On garage space: given the general decrease of industry in the area you shouldn't have too much trouble locating something. If you are looking to attract people to it, just consider accessibility from other parts of the city. Given the frequent need people native to Pittsburgh have an odd issue with crossing the rivers. Obviously easy access to a major roadway is good.
On Local Flavor: Whatever your food interests are, you'll find something here. Although you will likely be disappointed in the available Tex-Mex options. Plan on switching to a more German and Eastern European oriented cuisine. Primanti's is a must, and I'll recommend Pamela's (Oakland, Squirrel Hill or Shadyside) for breakfast. Don't wait too long before checking out the Church Brew Works right on Liberty Avenue in town. Yeungling Lager is my pick for best generally available beer, although Penn Pilsner is remarkably good for something on tap at a lot of local bars. Many local brewers make a pretty good stout as well.
On pubs: recent years have been tough and a couple choice ones recently closed. I'll second the vote for Dunnigan's (Regent Square) as a place worth stopping by if you are in the area.
On neighborhoods/towns: people will regard you based on where you live. Don't be surprised if folks want to get into a detailed discussion of your geographical location. It seems to be necessary for forming a full first impression. Even after living here for a while I still have trouble keeping up with all the nuances.
On roads: Head south towards route 88 and California, PA and then east towards 711 and Ligonier for some excellent local twisty roads. Get a good local atlas and just drive.
On Mandatory Experiences: As soon as you get a chance, go up the incline to the top of Mt. Washington downtown and view the city. It will really make you appreciate moving here. This year "Light Up Night" is November 21st. If you can do it that evening, even better!
Brian
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From: Yinzer in Exile
Oh yes! Lightup night is FUN!
Regarding what was mentioned about local regionalism...
I was at a neighborhood design/problemsolving seminar last week and a woman commented on this same issue. She mentioned that, in New York, you were from the Bronx or Brooklyn or SoHo, what have you, but above all you were New Yorkers. There's a bit more territorialism here. I don't know how it compares to Dallas/Ft. Worth but people from the East End are East Enders, then Pittsburghers, and so on for most of the city neighborhoods. This is not to say that we don't like each other--in fact, it's been mentioned numerous times that Pittsburghers are some of the friendliest people you'll ever meet. (Old adage: Any other city, you stop and ask directions. If you're lucky, you get them and they're right. In Pittsburgh, you stop and ask directions and people will draw you a map or tell you to follow them and then lead you to your destination). I think it has alot to do with the very regional settelment of various ethnic groups as well as loyalty to local steel mills.
I will warn you that our fair city also carries another local favorite "slogan" if you will. Learn it, understand it and expect it:
"Oh, You can't get there from here."
Pittsburgh is where PennDOT cones and barrels and tape and jersey barriers come to die. There is ALWAYS construction, so you will find it necessary to learn at least 3 routes to any given destination. You will be required to know when each route is optimal and you'll often have to make decisions on the fly, switching from route A to route B mid-journey. Be glad you have a MINI because back roads are your friends!
Other issues of transportation strangeness:
1. There's always traffic east of the Squirrel Hill tunnels. Any time of day, any day of the year. The sooner you accept that, the happier you'll be.
2. It is customary, here, to slam on your breaks immediately upon entering any of the city's tunnels. Traffic generally decelerates about 20 mph at the tunnel entrance before getting back up to speed (with intermittant breaking) about midway through.
3. Just learn how to navigate the west end bridge/circle. Due to construction you will at some point be detoured through the west end, regardless of where you're trying to go.
There is no place else in the US (or even, I believe, the world) with more bridges than Allegheny County. It's something around 1100. Several hundred of those are within city limits. Thus we are the City of Bridges.
Also... the first time you come through the Fort Pitt tunnels after dark will be a miraculous moment. The skyline really is fantastic.
I'm sure I'll have more, but I'll leave you to digest this for now.
And, in case I failed to mention, I'm trustworthy. Born and raised outside the East End.
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Regarding what was mentioned about local regionalism...
I was at a neighborhood design/problemsolving seminar last week and a woman commented on this same issue. She mentioned that, in New York, you were from the Bronx or Brooklyn or SoHo, what have you, but above all you were New Yorkers. There's a bit more territorialism here. I don't know how it compares to Dallas/Ft. Worth but people from the East End are East Enders, then Pittsburghers, and so on for most of the city neighborhoods. This is not to say that we don't like each other--in fact, it's been mentioned numerous times that Pittsburghers are some of the friendliest people you'll ever meet. (Old adage: Any other city, you stop and ask directions. If you're lucky, you get them and they're right. In Pittsburgh, you stop and ask directions and people will draw you a map or tell you to follow them and then lead you to your destination). I think it has alot to do with the very regional settelment of various ethnic groups as well as loyalty to local steel mills.
I will warn you that our fair city also carries another local favorite "slogan" if you will. Learn it, understand it and expect it:
"Oh, You can't get there from here."
Pittsburgh is where PennDOT cones and barrels and tape and jersey barriers come to die. There is ALWAYS construction, so you will find it necessary to learn at least 3 routes to any given destination. You will be required to know when each route is optimal and you'll often have to make decisions on the fly, switching from route A to route B mid-journey. Be glad you have a MINI because back roads are your friends!
Other issues of transportation strangeness:
1. There's always traffic east of the Squirrel Hill tunnels. Any time of day, any day of the year. The sooner you accept that, the happier you'll be.
2. It is customary, here, to slam on your breaks immediately upon entering any of the city's tunnels. Traffic generally decelerates about 20 mph at the tunnel entrance before getting back up to speed (with intermittant breaking) about midway through.
3. Just learn how to navigate the west end bridge/circle. Due to construction you will at some point be detoured through the west end, regardless of where you're trying to go.
There is no place else in the US (or even, I believe, the world) with more bridges than Allegheny County. It's something around 1100. Several hundred of those are within city limits. Thus we are the City of Bridges.
Also... the first time you come through the Fort Pitt tunnels after dark will be a miraculous moment. The skyline really is fantastic.
I'm sure I'll have more, but I'll leave you to digest this for now.
And, in case I failed to mention, I'm trustworthy. Born and raised outside the East End.
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So let me get this straight. Pennsylvania is now the home of two of the best Mini tuners in the business! We have Eric at Helix in Philadelphia, and now Graham in Pittsburgh. How did we get so lucky?
Hey Driving Hamster, if you throw Graham a Shin-dig, I might come out there and say hello myself. Oilman
Hey Driving Hamster, if you throw Graham a Shin-dig, I might come out there and say hello myself. Oilman
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>>Cool! I've already had some Rolling Rock and it's gooood! Starting to feel at home already! Anybody else have 200HP at the wheels in the area? Here's a question. My realtor told me I would need all season tires. I am not going there!!!!!!!! What do y'all think? I love the grip of my Yokohamas.
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>>Graham
Oops, meant to comment on this as well. You will definitely need to get off the summer tires from November through early April or so. My advice (and what I have done) is a second set of wheels with the winter rubber mounted on them. Bill at Pittsburgh MINI was good enough to set me up with a good deal on dealer take-off 15" stock wheels for this purpose.
I have graspics on mine, and they work well, but aren't great. Of course you lose grip and lateral stability, but sooner or later you'll find yourself driving home on curving roads in an ice storm and appreciate your decision.
Also, it doesn't snow here so much as it slushes much of the time. Because of our latitude we get a huge amount of freeze/thaw cycling and what falls as snow one night will melt during the day and refreeze the next night. They salt the earth worse than the Romans around here, but still be ready for the ice patches in winter.
Brian
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>>Graham
Oops, meant to comment on this as well. You will definitely need to get off the summer tires from November through early April or so. My advice (and what I have done) is a second set of wheels with the winter rubber mounted on them. Bill at Pittsburgh MINI was good enough to set me up with a good deal on dealer take-off 15" stock wheels for this purpose.
I have graspics on mine, and they work well, but aren't great. Of course you lose grip and lateral stability, but sooner or later you'll find yourself driving home on curving roads in an ice storm and appreciate your decision.
Also, it doesn't snow here so much as it slushes much of the time. Because of our latitude we get a huge amount of freeze/thaw cycling and what falls as snow one night will melt during the day and refreeze the next night. They salt the earth worse than the Romans around here, but still be ready for the ice patches in winter.
Brian
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Thanks for the tire info. Seeing as though my Yokohamas are near their end, I will go straight to Graspics when I get there. My car will ship in the moving van so I'll have no issues with winter driving until I get my car back.
Graham
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OK went to Dunlop's site and they don't have Graspics to fit my 17x7 rims, or at least they don't have 205s or 215s. I also saw that these tires are 99mph limited. Uh oh! 
Any other answers out there to this winter driving dilemma?
Graham :
Any other answers out there to this winter driving dilemma?Graham :
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Hello Graham,
If you want speed rated snows, your options are are bit more limited than a non rated snow. Your choices are
1. Bridgestone Blizzak LM-22 H-Rated tyre That does it for Bridgestone
2. Dunlop SP Winter Sport M2 Mostly H-rated, a few V-rated tyres. Ditto for Dunlop
3. Michelin Pilot Alpin H-rated tyre. Better in snow that the LM-22, but the LM-22 is better on ice. These are what I use.
4. Pirelli- More choices here. Winter 210 Snowsport H-rated
Winter 240 Snowsport V-rated
Most of the German car makes recommend the Pirelli's. I think you may find what you're looking for here.
Hope this helps.
Good Luck.
Steven
By the way.... Welcome to Pennsylvania
If you want speed rated snows, your options are are bit more limited than a non rated snow. Your choices are
1. Bridgestone Blizzak LM-22 H-Rated tyre That does it for Bridgestone
2. Dunlop SP Winter Sport M2 Mostly H-rated, a few V-rated tyres. Ditto for Dunlop
3. Michelin Pilot Alpin H-rated tyre. Better in snow that the LM-22, but the LM-22 is better on ice. These are what I use.
4. Pirelli- More choices here. Winter 210 Snowsport H-rated
Winter 240 Snowsport V-rated
Most of the German car makes recommend the Pirelli's. I think you may find what you're looking for here.
Hope this helps.
Good Luck.
Steven
By the way.... Welcome to Pennsylvania
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>> Hello Graham,
>>
>> If you want speed rated snows, your options are are bit more limited than a non rated snow. Your choices are
>>
>> 1. Bridgestone Blizzak LM-22 H-Rated tyre That does it for Bridgestone
>>
>> 2. Dunlop SP Winter Sport M2 Mostly H-rated, a few V-rated tyres. Ditto for Dunlop
>>
>> 3. Michelin Pilot Alpin H-rated tyre. Better in snow that the LM-22, but the LM-22 is better on ice. These are what I use.
>>
>> 4. Pirelli- More choices here. Winter 210 Snowsport H-rated
>> Winter 240 Snowsport V-rated
>> Most of the German car makes recommend the Pirelli's. I think you may find what you're looking for here.
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> Good Luck.
>>
>> Steven
>>
>> By the way.... Welcome to Pennsylvania
Hey thanks! I think I'm going for the Pirellis. The 240's look excellent but I think I'll check the 210's seeing as though the H rating will save some $$$ and I won't ve going V speeds in the winter!
Graham
>>
>> If you want speed rated snows, your options are are bit more limited than a non rated snow. Your choices are
>>
>> 1. Bridgestone Blizzak LM-22 H-Rated tyre That does it for Bridgestone
>>
>> 2. Dunlop SP Winter Sport M2 Mostly H-rated, a few V-rated tyres. Ditto for Dunlop
>>
>> 3. Michelin Pilot Alpin H-rated tyre. Better in snow that the LM-22, but the LM-22 is better on ice. These are what I use.
>>
>> 4. Pirelli- More choices here. Winter 210 Snowsport H-rated
>> Winter 240 Snowsport V-rated
>> Most of the German car makes recommend the Pirelli's. I think you may find what you're looking for here.
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> Good Luck.
>>
>> Steven
>>
>> By the way.... Welcome to Pennsylvania
Hey thanks! I think I'm going for the Pirellis. The 240's look excellent but I think I'll check the 210's seeing as though the H rating will save some $$$ and I won't ve going V speeds in the winter!
Graham
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Wouldn't you know it but the H rated Pirelli 210 snowsports don't come in 17s, only the V rated 240s! So I have to drive 160mph-rated tires in the snow just so I can get 17s! Sheeesh! This winter's going to be a trip!
Graham
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