Hey all,

I decided I wanted to install an adjustable clutch pedal stop into my 2011 Mini Clubman JCW. After looking at the options I decided to order the ECS Tuning one as it looked like a well made part. I just received the stop and was reviewing installation instructions and they tell me to "Install the M6 riv-nut into the hole we drilled out in step #2, then crimp it into place using a riv-nut tool". I expected that this special tool would be included with the stop but I only got the stop itself. Does ECS Tuning really expect everyone who orders this to happen to have this tool in their toolbox? Or am I missing something here?

Here is the stop I ordered: https://www.ecstuning.com/b-ecs-part...25851ecs01kt1/

 

Really, you just need a way to keep the rivnut from spinning inside the hole to pull it down tight. A bolt with maybe a couple of washers should do the trick, as long as the rivnut isn’t too lose in the hole you drilled for it. You should have to tap the rivnut into the hole to get it seated.

 

Edit: well I guess I am an idiot. They pointed out that the product description does state the need for the drill bit and riv-nut tool.


Well now I am pretty disappointed in ECS Tuning. I got a response to my email request on this stating:

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That is something that is included separately. Its a relatively cheap tool, unfortunately its only use is for the pedal stop.

They sell the tool separately for $15: https://www.ecstuning.com/b-bremmen-.../09331786~brp/

This feels like a very deceptive thing. They sell their own clutch stop for $18 vs. the BMS unit which sells for $10. They make no mention of the tool required to actually install their part. Since, by their own admission, that tool is only useful for installing this stop not including it in the kit or at least stating that it is required in the product description is pretty shady in my opinion.

I also will need to source a 25/64" drill bit as that is a very odd size. That will run around $5-$10. That means the total cost to actually purchase and install this clutch stop is around $38-$43.

I am honestly thinking I may need to return this for a refund and pick up the BMS unit.

 

$15 for that!? Seriously, not needed.
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/...d.php?t=221179

Also, the only advantage I see to the ECS version of the stopper is the adjustability. If they will accept he return, get the Burger one.

 

I disagree with installing a riv-nut without the proper tool. The installation tool not only swages the riv-nut into the hole but it also flares the hole opening ensuring proper retention. In the case of this, it isn't that important but in general, one should try to use the proper tool to install a component.

The advantage I saw with the ECS unit is it looked more sturdy and solid. Again, I was comparing the BMS unit to the ECS unit and I liked the ECS unit a bit more. That may change though.

 

I opted to just order the BMS unit. Playing around with drills and the riv-nut tool under there does not sound like fun to me. Plus, if I screwed up the install I would be in a pretty bad way.

 

Yes...at the bottom of the sales sheet, under the heading "INSTALLATION AND SUPPORT" ECS states, "If you don't have a Riv-nut tool please see ES3245571". These inexpensive tools are required for the safe and proper installation of Riv-nuts.

FYI: The name Nutsert is often used interchangeably with the name Riv-nut. In their various forms they do in fact look similar and have the same purpose. Each product requires a dedicated insertion tool. Of note is a sister product called a Well-nut. Well-nuts have a flexible, rubber type casing and DO NOT require a special tool for insertion or assembly. In some cases the Well-nut can also be used interchangeably with Riv-nuts and Nutserts. Hope this information helps.

Rich