Thinking about Gen 2 v. Gen 3 Mini S
Also, ended up buying the sportwagen 3 days before and surprising my wife. 2017 SE with 20k miles. I really like that car as well. Feels quick, simple interior, but feels very quality/solid. The electronics are light years ahead of the mini. And it gets unreal mileage--I averaged 40 mpg with a full car at 70 mph, and 34 mpg at 80 mph on regular fuel, which is incredible.
Sounds like fun times in your household. I'm curious to know how kids in the back of the MINI goes. =P
I don't get the roadster. What's the point? You might as well eke out some extra space, maybe throw a kid or a dog back there. As far as ergonomics...worthless analog speedometer, worthless openometer at the expense of useful gauges (esp in a JCW, I'd love to have boost, oil temp/press, volts, coolant temp). The tach is barely visible, and moves with the wheel so you can't improve the visibility. Nav screen is poorly designed, can't display basic radio information. I guess not terrible, but my BMW is much better. Same company, 13 years later they should improve.
I was scared away from the alltrack because of the big fuel economy hit, I think the specs are 29 hwy or something. I'd like AWD, but it wouldn't be used much in my neck of the woods. They stopped making the TDI in 2015, I'm on the 1.8T (also, the diesel would actually cost you more in fuel when you take into acct the price difference v. 87). Still haven't put the kids in back, or driven with the top down!
I was scared away from the alltrack because of the big fuel economy hit, I think the specs are 29 hwy or something. I'd like AWD, but it wouldn't be used much in my neck of the woods. They stopped making the TDI in 2015, I'm on the 1.8T (also, the diesel would actually cost you more in fuel when you take into acct the price difference v. 87). Still haven't put the kids in back, or driven with the top down!
Agree gauge situation is lack luster, this the solution I use https://www.waymotorworks.com/scangauge-package.html
refinement is so so on second gen cars, going from 2nd 3rd gen makes it even more noticeable.
only had my convertible since May, but yeah space is definitely at a premium. I use the backseat for extra space on vacation, but it's just me and wife, can't do that with kids
refinement is so so on second gen cars, going from 2nd 3rd gen makes it even more noticeable.
only had my convertible since May, but yeah space is definitely at a premium. I use the backseat for extra space on vacation, but it's just me and wife, can't do that with kids
All fair points Mike. When I think ergonomics I'm really only thinking of physical body position and operation of the car. I've never figured out how to consistently heel-toe a MINI otherwise I think they are just about perfect. I can see the tach, but I don't use it when driving hard, that's all by ear. My wife's 2nd gen doesn't have nav but even playing with it on newer cars I wasn't terribly impressed, so I'll agree there.
Long winded VW asides below:
Yeah, I guess I knew the Alltrack fuel economy figures were bad I just didn't realize the FWD GSW was that much better. Yikes. I had a Golf R for a week and we got 33mpg avg with a fair bit of spirited driving on the tank. Feels like they put the wrong engine/gearbox in the Alltrack.
I agree that with improved fuel monitoring allowing tiny turbos to run on pump gas the days of the diesel are pretty much over. I've driven the new 1.4T Golf and it honestly feels perfectly capable for 80% of daily driving. I think a small diesel would knock its socks off though. I checked fuelly and our MCS running on 91 vs our TDI was only $0.01/mile in favor of the diesel over 100,000 miles. Would I spec the $6,000 premium engine choice again? Hell yeah! Torque is real world power. The MINI was only significantly faster than the TDI above 4,000rpm which generally lead to illegal speeds. Now-a-days if you want low down torque you just buy an EV. I think the financially viable days of commuter diesels are dead, but I still miss mine dearly for non financial reasons.
Hope you continue to enjoy both cars for their different strengths. =]
Long winded VW asides below:
Yeah, I guess I knew the Alltrack fuel economy figures were bad I just didn't realize the FWD GSW was that much better. Yikes. I had a Golf R for a week and we got 33mpg avg with a fair bit of spirited driving on the tank. Feels like they put the wrong engine/gearbox in the Alltrack.
I agree that with improved fuel monitoring allowing tiny turbos to run on pump gas the days of the diesel are pretty much over. I've driven the new 1.4T Golf and it honestly feels perfectly capable for 80% of daily driving. I think a small diesel would knock its socks off though. I checked fuelly and our MCS running on 91 vs our TDI was only $0.01/mile in favor of the diesel over 100,000 miles. Would I spec the $6,000 premium engine choice again? Hell yeah! Torque is real world power. The MINI was only significantly faster than the TDI above 4,000rpm which generally lead to illegal speeds. Now-a-days if you want low down torque you just buy an EV. I think the financially viable days of commuter diesels are dead, but I still miss mine dearly for non financial reasons.
Hope you continue to enjoy both cars for their different strengths. =]
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