that's about all I got out of them. Watch out, I had 2 sets and both failed, the red polyurethane tears and once it starts to move they fail fast

 

 

when the poly starts to fail the center part will move more than the outer section, the friction makes them fail even faster. I put my car on the lift and the the whole thing separated and dropped right out of the camber plate top half, I was on the track the day before too, coulda killed me

I aligned them so I could get the most camber and caster

 

 

they only lasted me a few months, my street car had the same set and they failed too but I caught it before they became two parts.

I have greene performance camber plates on my track car, and vorshlag on my street car

 

You didn’t locktite it? I locktite mine hopefully it’ll last. I’m more concerned about the Allen bolts going loose on top.

So for the offset just flip it i guess to get more positive or negative camber

 

Loctite wont help, the urethane failed

I put my car on the lift, this fell out, I had no idea it had failed the weight of the car was keeping it in place, good thing I was not aggressive on the curbing

 

got worried, looked at my street/autocross car (STX) and it was starting to fail too, these things were basically brand new

 

 

 

 

Umm, has someone with first hand experience with these failures contacted Eibach?

 

Mmm, makes me wonder, I'm in the middle of buying a pair of Ireland street plates.
While they use a black urethane, is it more than just the color is different, actual material difference ?

I'll be making calls tomorrow myself.

Mike

 

 

Well, I just go off the phone from a guy at Ireland Engineering.

I explained to him about talk on a Mini Cooper forum board about a competitors plates, urethane separating and having the bearing loose in the housing.
He came back with a lot of conviction that they've never had a plate assembly come back with the urethane that had separated.
I told him that I'd be using their plates on a lowered 05 Mini, that while I had't done any racing yet, I did plan on doing some Solo events at Fontana, and the car would be driven in the SoCal freeways (not the best in the country !).
He came back with that I "shouldn't have any problems at all", and that "I'd be the first" if I did,

Since I live just a few miles from their shop, he offered to let me come by and take a look around and pick up a kit from them (Stage 2, R53 kit).
I'll go by there later this week, see what there is to see.

Mike

 

 

Hell...ya gotta drive it..!
Push the car, see what happens, keep a close eye on the urethane, send them back if they break. I'd assume that with a flashlight, you may be able to see the plastic down thru the slots in the mounting plates..!?

Not sure when I'll get mine on the car, but you can bet I'll be watching closely.

Mike

 

Man.

That's a catastrophic failure with those Eibach plates.

I wonder what the durometer of the urethane is?

Looks like a soft compound, reminds me of old skool skateboard wheels.



I wouldn't doubt that IE uses a harder compound since they've had no reported failures.

The differences of scale in hardness makes a pretty big difference.

I like how most polybush manufacturers list the durometer:

 

 

what did Eibach have to say about that.

FWIW, I have had a set of Vorshlag camber plates on my R56 for 60K miles and several track days with no problems. Last weekend I dropped the shocks out to check on everything and no sign of any wear.

 

Not currently interested in the "solid", Vorshlag plates. I've seen what solid mounts like that can do on the street. Vibrations need to go somewhere, into the shock tower's..! For a race car, absolutely. For driving the SoCal freeways...not a good idea..!

Going to try to go to Ireland Engineering tomorrow. I want to take a look at their exhaust too.

Mike

 

Failures of the IE plates have been reported on NAM,
with a very similar urethane separation issue:

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...er-plates.html

But that was over a decade ago now and I'd think that they've refined the product a good bit since then.

 

That was my question as well. I sent Eibach a link to this thread, hoping that they'd jump on and provide some response for public consumption. I got an email reply saying they were signing up so they could respond, but that was a few days ago. I'm surprised they haven't responded, and I'm surprised the people who experienced the failures haven't told us how their conversation with Eibach have gone?

 

We see these issues all the time on the poly on camber plates. That is why I use and recommend the Vorshlags. I've been using them in my street cars for years and don't have any added vibrations or issues, and NEVER had a vorshlag fail.
https://www.waymotorworks.com/vorshl...er-plates.html