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Old Oct 26, 2007 | 06:24 PM
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What Do You Know, Part Two...

... about Auto Insurance and Auto Safety.

Today's question is a very basic one but one that I often see people on the board mispeaking about. Here it is:

Jack loans his car to Betty. Betty is driving to pick up a loaf of bread at the store and on the way, loses control around a curve. She leaves the road and strikes a tree.

Whose insurance policy is going to cover the accident, Jack's or Betty's ?
 
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Old Oct 26, 2007 | 06:30 PM
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I would think it was Betty's insurance -- Kinda like when you rent a car??
 
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Old Oct 26, 2007 | 06:35 PM
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In this case, Jack's, it's the car that is insured, not the person... in most cases, i would think this is the case.
 
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Old Oct 26, 2007 | 07:33 PM
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As far as i know it is the responsibility of the person the car is insured under, not the driver.
 
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Old Oct 26, 2007 | 08:13 PM
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This reminds me, I saw a commercial last week from one insurance company touting the fact that they will cover anyone you let drive your car. I don't remember what company it was (maybe Geico?).
 
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Old Oct 26, 2007 | 08:17 PM
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Well, now I know!
 
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Old Oct 26, 2007 | 10:07 PM
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Well, now I know!
Your giving up so easy? We have another day before we get the "real" answer...
 
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Old Oct 26, 2007 | 10:30 PM
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Oh!!!! Sorry this is my first day on the forums.... Didn't know the rules. I can certainly debate my side further if need be.
 
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Old Oct 26, 2007 | 10:40 PM
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It would usually be Jack's insurance, unless Betty is over 16 years old, licensed, and living with Jack, or unless Betty is excluded from the policy. Then the poor car is out of luck!

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Old Oct 27, 2007 | 03:16 AM
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Assuming Jack and Betty are on a different insurance policy, Jack is screwed.
 
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Old Oct 27, 2007 | 03:24 AM
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This question is more interesting than I thought it would be !!
 
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Old Oct 27, 2007 | 04:11 AM
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I don't know so I won't guess. I suppose I could dig into my files and pull out my 50 page State Farm policy and actually READ it. But what fun would that be?

Actually, my answer is: who cares? Just don't loan Betty (or anyone) your car!
 
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Old Oct 27, 2007 | 04:14 AM
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If you don't know AND you don't care, why did you bother posting ?
 
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Old Oct 27, 2007 | 04:38 AM
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I'm going to say that Jack's company will say it's Betty's... and Betty's is going to put the responcibility on Jack's.

Ultimately, Jack's will pay... after finding that Betty is uninsured. They will however pursue her in cival court. Ultimately they will place a lean on the shack she calls a home and garnish her wages for the next 20 years (have to pay for that "extencive injuries" claim filed by the driver of the car Betty hit. Right?)
 
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Old Oct 27, 2007 | 05:03 AM
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Interesting...
 
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Old Oct 27, 2007 | 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted by msh441
I'm going to say that Jack's company will say it's Betty's... and Betty's is going to put the responcibility on Jack's.

Ultimately, Jack's will pay... after finding that Betty is uninsured. They will however pursue her in cival court. Ultimately they will place a lean on the shack she calls a home and garnish her wages for the next 20 years (have to pay for that "extencive injuries" claim filed by the driver of the car Betty hit. Right?)
You'd have a tiny chance of being right if Betty had hit another car.

Cute though.
 
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Old Oct 27, 2007 | 05:40 AM
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This happened to 2 friends of mine. The guy who lent his vehicle -- his insurance had to cover it. He collected the deductible from the driver, though
 
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Old Oct 27, 2007 | 06:33 AM
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What I would like to know is if Betty's insurance doesn't cover Jack's wrecked MINI. Who gets Betty's life insurance after Jack kills Betty.
 
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Old Oct 27, 2007 | 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by carjoy
Oh!!!! Sorry this is my first day on the forums.... Didn't know the rules. I can certainly debate my side further if need be.
LOL, well, better get debating then , ya got till 9 EST ....
 
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Old Oct 27, 2007 | 08:56 AM
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I believe that insurance follows a vehicle and not a person.
 
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Old Oct 27, 2007 | 10:34 AM
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You have to be careful. How old is betty? Under my insurance anyone who drives my car is covered, UNLESS the driver is under 21. It works for me as I have no kids.
 
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Old Oct 27, 2007 | 06:13 PM
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Okay, folks who said, "Jack's insurance covers this accident". You are right. As long as Jack gave Betty permission to drive the car, his policy will cover the accident.

Originally Posted by carjoy
I would think it was Betty's insurance -- Kinda like when you rent a car??
Renting a car is different. You sign an agreement that says YOU are responsible for any accidents. But don't ever purchase the rental company's insurance if you have an auto policy... your policy will cover the rental car.

Originally Posted by Minidrivr
This reminds me, I saw a commercial last week from one insurance company touting the fact that they will cover anyone you let drive your car. I don't remember what company it was (maybe Geico?).
GEICO, or whoever that was, is using a marketing ploy. Every major insurance company covers that situation.

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It would usually be Jack's insurance, unless Betty is over 16 years old, licensed, and living with Jack, or unless Betty is excluded from the policy. Then the poor car is out of luck!

Did I get it right? Did I?
Jack's policy still applies, regardless of permissive use because permissive use is implied when someone is listed as a licensed driver in your household.

And I didn't mention any driver exclusions, did I??

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Assuming Jack and Betty are on a different insurance policy, Jack is screwed.
Jack might be screwing Betty on the side, but he's not screwed if they are not on the same policy.

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You have to be careful. How old is betty? Under my insurance anyone who drives my car is covered, UNLESS the driver is under 21. It works for me as I have no kids.
Who are YOU insured with ? And in what State ? I'm surprised the insurance department in your state allows them to do that. I never saw a policy exclusion like the one you mention.
 
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Old Oct 27, 2007 | 10:12 PM
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Okay, folks who said, "Jack's insurance covers this accident". You are right.
Although I am not surprised at the answer, some of what you said surprised me...

Originally Posted by CR&PW&JB
But don't ever purchase the rental company's insurance if you have an auto policy... your policy will cover the rental car.
I used to have two cars, so my old agent took that option off to save some money, granted he told me, but wouldn't this option be able to be used by a shady company to beat others prices?


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Every major insurance company covers that situation.

because permissive use is implied when someone is listed as a licensed driver in your household.
I used to be insured by Allstate in California. I lived with a friend and we were not related, both insured separately with the same agent. We were told we are excluded on each others policies. This was not something we were told or aware of until one of us saw it stated on the policy long after we had been driving each others cars. When we showed the agent, he didn't even realize it. It would have cost us a fortune to be insured to drive each others cars.
 
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Old Oct 28, 2007 | 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted by CR&PW&JB

Jack might be screwing Betty on the side, but he's not screwed if they are not on the same policy.
Hehe that's what i meant when i said he's screwed. Jack's insurance covers it sure but with insurance
 
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Old Oct 28, 2007 | 04:23 AM
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Originally Posted by TWON
I used to have two cars, so my old agent took that option off to save some money, granted he told me, but wouldn't this option be able to be used by a shady company to beat others prices?
You're confusing two different things, TWON. What your agent took off your policy was your Rental Reimbursement coverage. That coverage pays for a rental car should your own car be involved in an accident.

What I'm talking about is Collision and Comp coverage on a car you rent. Say you go on vacation and you rent <<gag gag>> a Minivan. The rental company tries to sell you their insurance but you have a full coverage policy on a car you own. DO NOT buy the rental company's comp and collisin coverage... you have it.

Of course, what I forgot to say in my answer post was that if you have an old car and choose not to have comp and/or collision coverage, then you SHOULD buy the renter's coverage.
 
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