If F1 still lives, this must end the stupid tyre war.

It's going to be a spec tyre series soon

 

I’m sensing some bad vibes here, or am I misreading this?

 

I do feel sorry for all the people who paid those big bucks to be there and this happen.

 

I can't believe this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I would be so pissed off if I were at the race right now. I missed the trip to Indianapolis with my friends this year. I can't stand the FIA at this moment.

 

Don't expect me at any F1 races anytime soon.

If you can't make a tire that works for a track that you've raced for several years .... then get out of racing!

2008 FIA rules - considering dedicated tire supplier!!!


PITY EVERYONE THAT'S AT INDY TODAY [unless you're a Ferrari fan ]

 

Some of the more pertinent info..........


Michelin had a problem with only one team....Toyota.
Sent problem tires back to France, couldn't determine problem.
Sent suposedly safer tire back to Indy, but testing showed possibly same problem.
Petitioned FIA and the Federation to allow a chicane to be installed.
Governing body said "sorry, you teams didn't bring proper equipment to race"
Indy oval was recently repaved and then ground down twice because of problems while testing for Indy 500. (Firestone tires)
New pavememnt surface was very abrasive and hard on the tires.
Nascar test was rescheduled because of same concerns.
Bridgestone tires don't show the same problems. (?because of the Firestone experiences earlier?).
Michelin did not supply a slower, safer, harder tire as the rules allow. So teams had no backup tire to go to.

A total **** up all the way around. Michelin really dropped the ball on this one.

 

If open wheel racing in the USA wasn't dead yet thanks to the IRL/CART fiasco, this should pretty much put the last nail in the coffin. Nice job Michelin, way to be prepared. I have a hard time blaming the FIA for not putting in a chicane when Bridgestone wasn't having a problem. So your going to penalize the teams that came prepared and change the track the day of the race? No good solution to this mess, but I'm sure glad I didn't pay to make that trip. You can bet a large number of lawsuits will be filed shortly.

According to the rules recently submitted that will start in 2008 they are going back to a slick tire and talk of a singe spec tire. A bit late for that now I'd say.

 

The rules for 2008 are only under consideration at this point. Nothing has been adopted. Some of the proposed rules are rather good and some are down right rediculous.

 

Hey let's look at the up side. Everyone should finish in the points.

 

looks like the Ferrari's are making a valiant attempt at taking each other out, wouldn't that be something, Monteiro, Karthikeyan, and Albers on the podium

 

I know its not the FIAs fault, this just sucks. I'm glad I didn't go. I really feel for all the people who went to the race.

 

i disagree, i think the only group that is not at blame is Bridgestone and the Bridgestone teams. i can't believe that there was no possible compromise that could have been reached between the FIA, Michelin, and the Michelin runners. Formula 1 has shot it self in the foot and ruined what little popularity it had with the casual American public

 

Is anybody watching the joke that is the U.S. Grand Prix? The "fans" that are us get screwed again.

 

umm there's already a F1 thread, go on over and check it out.

 

I will merge this with the F1 thread, already in progress.

 

My bad

 

Fault Michelin for horrible preparation, fault the adminstration of the event for not getting at least a non-championship show on the track, with chicane...for the fans.

The tyre problems occurred Friday...today's Sunday.

...this could get ugly.

 

No worries, Maxx....:smile:


Clover

 

wow, tiago monteiro is quite the tool

 

Thats "Mr (only way to get on the podium) Tool" to you

 

Put a chicane let them all race but have the points go to the Bridgestone guys

I would have accepted that

 

I’m still having a problem with why they think the safety of the drivers is in jeopardy because of the same tire they’ve used at the other tracks?

All you who want to blame the FIA grow up. They set the rules before the start of the season and whether I agreed with them or liked them, they are the rules this season.

If the tyre manufacture who the majority of F1 teams use can’t seem to get their act together, it’s not the fault of this years rules.

You people seem to think as most of the others not racing this day that rules will be changed because they and or you wish them.

You play by the rules or you don’t play.

It’s just too bad that they pulled this BS at the USGP. You’ll not see the contract picked up at the end of it and that means no F1 in the US again for some years. I’ve gone through this 3 times over the last 45 plus years now as a F1 fan.

You want to know protest or real track safety problems, just think back to Monza and Spa in the early 70’s. They had real problems there and safety was the concern. I see this as BS and a ploy to dig more money out of the US fans and spectators of F1.

I went through this at Long Beach for 5 years. At the end of their contract LB said take a hike F1 and brought in the Indy cars. They were kicked out of Watkins Glen, out of Riverside, out of everywhere they bring the F1 circus. This is just the newest chapter of the F1/USA fiasco. Mark my words, there will be more.

 

Okay, so I'm not watching the race (unfortunately) but reading everything I can find online. Seems to me this is F1 at it's worst/greatest. Things unexpectantly can turn on a dime in this sport because of the complex and maxed-out level F1 runs at. Tires, pits, track conditions, rivalries...things can go nuts in a minute or two. It's truly unfortunate the fans didn't get a "show", but in the big picture, this is part of the complex formula what makes F1 so fascinating (even if at times infuriating...the race WILL be memorable!).

I almost think I'm getting as good a feel for the drama reading quotes from drivers, FIA officials, and Team leads as I might watching on TV or certainly being in the stands. The drama of this year's USGP obviously is not the actual race this time.

Bridgestone must look like a million bucks right now!!!

btw, any results??? (edit: never mind...got it! Sounds like the fans were acting stupid.......dissappointing, regardless of circumstances.)

 

I can see Ferrari's perspective but this was bad for the sport

Stoddart blames Jordan for Minardi being on track
19/06/05
Paul Stoddart has blamed Jordan for his team racing in Sunday's United States GP, saying once Jordan said they'd race, Minardi had no option but to.
Earlier Jordan and Minardi had agreed together with the seven Michelin teams not to race in the Indianapolis event unless a chicane was built at the high-speed banked Turn 13.

However, as the FIA and Ferrari said no, the chicane was not built and the Michelin runners all retired following the formation lap. Jordan and Minardi, though, started the 70-lap race with Ferrari.

It was a decision which Minardi boss Paul Stoddart wasn't happy with but he claims he no option as it's Jordan who his team "is racing in the Championship."

"This is not a race it's a farce," he told ITV.

"No one is going to take this race seriously and no one is going to be happy with a Ferrari 1-2.

He added: "F1 has done some crazy things lately, but this one today will have far reaching implications."

 

Please some one tell me how a chicane was going to make the difference? If the tyres are wearing thin at the speeds they are going, where is it in a logical since that two more turns will make the tyres last longer? Won’t these people be hitting these turns at the top speed they can? How would this have made a difference, but to wear the tyres out sooner?

It’s all speculation on my part because the race is history, but F1 has a “track record” of pulling this kind of BS in the US and US only. You don’t see them ever do this at the other 15 races they have. You only see it happen here in the US.