When I read that there was an agreement between all teams and the FIA, and, that all teams agreed to the following (not inlcuded here) I thought that the FIA pretty well B-slapped some of the manufactures like Ferrari...but then I read that Max is gone - soon.

I may be late to this party, but it seems that Max was the problem all along..the fight was with him, not the FIA.

...budget caps like the 90s...is that adjusted for inflation and the new economy...

 

I can't figure out when Mosley will be out. Most articles I've read so far say he just went back to his original plan to not run for the office again this October. Only one I saw said his departure is effective immediately.....here's hoping.

 

A co-worker in of mine in Spain mentioned that was the big story of today, but didn't give me a link. I know the Spanish Media doesn't always get all their facts right, but that's multiple sources. Wow, this could be great.

 

Who was more of a PITA--Bernie or Max? Either way we're better off, except we've lost the jokes.

No way they'll drop spending to the "early 90's" within 2 years, though. Inflation alone would preclude that.

 

Max is a thorn in the side of the teams, no doubt, but Bernie is the $$$ *****. The witch is dead, now they just need to get rid of the flying monkey. Would be great to replace him (and FOM) with someone who's more interested in the nature of the sport than the quality of the show, esp. when his primary goal has been to make it as profitable as possible rather than to just make it monetarily feasible.

I'm sure you're right about the spending, although I figure they'll factor for inflation.

Any nominations for a Max Mosley replacement?

 

Me! Me! I love to travel!

(Except that I'm not a leather ****.)

 

The threat of a Formula One breakaway series has been averted after agreement was on Wednesday reached between motor sport's world governing body, the FIA, and the Formula One Teams' Association.

As a result, FIA president Max Mosley has confirmed he will not now stand for re-election when his fourth term ends in October.

The news follows a breakthrough meeting of the World Motor Sport Council in Paris, and a cost-cutting deal being struck between the FIA and the eight members of FOTA - Ferrari, McLaren, BMW Sauber, Renault, Toyota, Red Bull, Toro Rosso and Brawn GP.

Confirming the compromise, Mosley said: "There will be no split. We have agreed to a reduction of costs.

"There will be one F1 Championship, but the objective is to get back to the spending levels of the early '90s within two years."

With regard to his own position, Mosley added: "I will not be up for re-election, now we have peace."

The agreement ends two months of wrangling since Mosley announced after a World Council meeting at the end of April that a voluntary £40million budget cap would be imposed from next season.

That prompted a rebellion, with the eight teams announcing on Thursday night they would be planning a rival series.

Following Wednesday's meeting, F1 surpremo Bernie Ecclestone commented that he was "very happy common sense has prevailed".

http://www.planetf1.com/story/0,1895...398764,00.html

 

Common sense??? In Formula 1?

 

There, fixed it for you.

 

Exactly!

 

Ok, so Deb's on the list. Any other ideas?

Likely candidates seem to be people like Jean Todt and Ron Dennis. I've read that Todt isn't a popular candidate and I think Dennis would be too polarizing.

Though I don't imagine either is anywhere near the short list, I'd personally like to see someone like Eddie Jordan or Jackie Stewart. And if Bernie could be driven out I'd replace him with a Paul Stoddart type.

 

Good ole' Max.....at least he's consistent:

Mosley slams FOTA behaviour

Walk away Max, you're not wanted here anymore.

 

Oh, geez. Here we go again.

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/250620...s-apology.html

As for his replacement, if we can ever drive a wooden stake through his proverbial heart, how about Niki Lauda? He knows the job, and has plenty of CEO-type ability. He even has his own airline, in case he wants to go to the races!

 

im really excited about the budget caps but I do think they should be a tad bit higher

 

The problem with budget caps, especially the "early 90's level" that they have decreed, is that it totally stifles development. Tires got where they are today largely because of racing (fortunately their development is up to the tire companies). Without aerodynamics improvements, we might be driving boxes...er...like MINIs...rather than the streamlined cars we have today.

Keeping engine design on hold for years is not good. Neither is killing KERS. Yes, there were teething problems, but think of the potential for the technology to pass on to real-life cars!

Who knows what else might be lost?

 

kers was using wayyy to much money in development. most teams wouldnt be able to compete if kers would have suceeded. 90's formula 1 was the best by far. it was exciting, close, and there were more cars. The only reason im enjoying this year is ive always wanted button to win. the teams still get to play with aero and discover things with a budget cap. Im sure car companies are not going to stop reinventing the wheel. the kers technology is there and if they think it will work on street cars and be cost effecient they will still develop it

 

plus how cool would it be if this enables more companies to compete which could stimulate more business and help the sport grow

 

Really? Who--Mercedes? (down) Toyota? (down) BMW? (down) Porsche? (down) Mazda? (down) GM? (out)

 

not manufactures. it would be cool to see lotus back though. I want to see more teams

btw what car is running a mazda motor?

edit: I think I misread your last post, and im not quite sure what your asking haha

 

Mazda isn't in F1, but it is in racing. I just used it as an example of manufactors who have potential for engineering improvements.

I don't think you missed anything. I took the quote from justintime's post, and answered it.

It's a step back to put such draconian limits on F1 teams. Will it really bring in--or keep--teams? I doubt it. And if a team is running a little ragged on costs, there are other ways to compensate without making ALL suffer. Or perhaps they were never meant to participate at top level racing.

Looks like I'm not entirely alone in my thoughts:

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/250620...1-survive.html

 

I'm not hard over in either direction re cost caps yet, but like Ryephile pointed out here (and there are a couple related posts following his), innovation doesn't necessarily require limitless resources.

Food for thought.

 

Pulling from the quoted portion, is F1 responsible for "Toyota blowing cash out" of out of its ****, or is Toyota responsible for "Toyota blowing cash out" of out of its ****? In other words, are all teams going to be winners? And is F1 supposed to coddle losing teams?

 

Yep, that bit is irrelevant I think. Toyota is blowing wads of cash by choice...no one forcing them to do it.

I still think there's merit in the idea that if engineers and developers are forced to work within monetary constraint the best and most clever will still rise to the top and their teams will win races. Plus, a positive side-effect might be that the fruits of their labors will be easier to apply in terms of practical application to everyday cars. You're still going to have real stratification, and teams who aren't smart enough to figure out how to innovate without access to huge budgets might be the ones who lose races and wither away.

I'll grant you in advance that this certainly doesn't describe the typical pinnacle of motorsport scenario. In fact, there's a long-standing and cherished mantra that racing ain't cheap and only those who can afford to win will win consistently. A series based in part on thrift (even if there are very few limits on technical innovation) is not the Formula One we've grown to expect.....but that alone doesn't mean it's a bad idea.

Like I said, I'm on the fence so I'm not advocating. I'm just trying to see if I can figure out what really happens if you cap budgets. Nevermind the widespread opinion that there's no practical way to police them.....

 

I would love to see mazda, porsche, lotus exc in f1

 

I wonder what the Brawn budget was for this year. Granted, Ross Brawn could extract some technology from his Ferrari days, and granted that they borrowed another team's engine, still, I don't think it's in the rance of the big guys.

Except now they're one of the big guys. Who woulda thunk it?