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Old Mar 21, 2007 | 10:38 AM
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that's similar to what i thought. the heat doesn't just disappear, has to go somewhere. i think the idea is that this aerogel absorbs the heat a lot better than the stock heatshield. but it has to radiate it back out somehow, right?
Actually, there is no stock heat shield for the IC. And the vertical orientation of the stock IC (and most after market ICs) makes them particularly susceptible to heat soak when the car is standing still. The DFIC has a natural advantage here, and the insulation in question should provide another level of protection.

You can add insulation to the stock IC, and to the intake manifold beneath the IC, to reduce the amount of heat the IC picks up from the engine bay. Search threads for "Thermal Efficiency".
 
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Old Mar 21, 2007 | 10:40 AM
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Here is just a thought. While the FLIR pictures are pretty, doesn't that mean that they were taken with the hood open? And as such, doesn't that also mean that some of the heat has already escaped? And I am in no way saying that anyone is trying to deceive anyone else. But if the shots are taken with the hood open, than having the hood open for 10 seconds for one shot and 20 seconds for another shot would result in different temps. Just as an example. Perhaps an independent source could verify the claims?

I have a idea for you . I know you plan on a lot of drinking at the event , getting your drink on , was the term you used I beleive . If you find you have a sober moment come on by and you can lift the hood and take the picture yourself. We will have the temp imaging camera there for all to see. Is this independent enough for you ?

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Old Mar 21, 2007 | 10:52 AM
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I have a idea for you . I know you plan on a lot of drinking at the event , getting your drink on , was the term you used I beleive . If you find you have a sober moment come on by and you can lift the hood and take the picture yourself. We will have the temp imaging camera there for all to see. Is this independent enough for you ?

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I do appreciate the offer, but as I've stated and you have repeated, I will be busy doing other things. And since it seems like you missed my point, what I was wondering about was the controls used in taking the pictures and the temperature measurements as there seems to be room for error. I've clearly stated that I am NOT accusing anyone of any wrongdoing.
 
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Old Mar 21, 2007 | 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by goaljnky
I do appreciate the offer, but as I've stated and you have repeated, I will be busy doing other things. And since it seems like you missed my point, what I was wondering about was the controls used in taking the pictures and the temperature measurements as there seems to be room for error. I've clearly stated that I am NOT accusing anyone of any wrongdoing.

We were as conistant as we could be with repeating the procedure with each run. I was just ofering you the opertunity to conduct your own tests to satisfy the question you posed.

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Old Mar 21, 2007 | 11:02 AM
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Are install photos/instructions posted anywhere?

thanks
 
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Old Mar 21, 2007 | 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by tomm9050
Are install photos/instructions posted anywhere?

thanks
We will have everything up after AMVIV. Things are kind of hectic here getting ready to leave. They will be on display on and off cars this weekend so we wil get some photos up as soon as we get back if not sooner. Install is REAL easy

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Old Mar 21, 2007 | 11:13 AM
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I appreciate the opertunity, but as stated my weekend is already booked up. I am however curious as to what the benefit would be for the NA Coopers?
 
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Old Mar 21, 2007 | 11:39 AM
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Thank you Randy.....

Sorry about the confusion, but I finished the R&D report late last night.

The performance of this part is really something special, the underhood temps are now controlled and the temperature spikes that normally are
evident are gone.

Both the radiator overflow bottle and the steering pump will run much cooler
and the rest of the engine compartment will thank you to...

As you can see in these charts heat supression with the the new
M7 Aerogel EX is absolutly fantastic.

Peter
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Stock setup



With M7 Aerogel EX

 
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Old Mar 21, 2007 | 11:55 AM
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Why does the outside air increase and spike so much?
 
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Old Mar 21, 2007 | 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by maxmini
There is a little confusion here , let me try to clear it up.
Confusion here at NAM? Your killing me here . Could the problem be non-related M7 people making new product announcements .

Lets move on to phase "2 NUMBERS"

NAM - "SO WHEN ARE WE GOING TO SEE NUMBERS".
M7 - "WE WILL TRY TO GET NUMBERS TO YOU SOON"

Phase 3 (24 hours after phase 2) - FLAME THROWER

NAM - "WELL? ITS BEEN A DAY - WHERE ARE THE #$^@" YOU PROMISED"

 
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Old Mar 21, 2007 | 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by MINIotaple
Why does the outside air increase and spike so much?
Very simple, the car come to a stop hot air rises towards the area were the
thermocouple is located (in the front of the DFIC).

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Old Mar 21, 2007 | 12:34 PM
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IR imaging....

to take the photos, you have to open the hood. but the time it takes for serious cooling to occur has a time constant of many seconds to minutes, depending on the part, the temp, and local conditions. The hot air will come out, but the parts will still be hot. For the air to be imaged by the camera, it has to be much, much, much hotter.

Excellent idea on the product! Will make life easier for us HAI guys!

Matt
 
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Old Mar 21, 2007 | 12:43 PM
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Pretty sweet... If I'm understanding, this is sort of taking the whole ceramic coating the header idea quite a bit further, by providing a more complete heat rejector than the stock heat shield? Can I assume that the heat under driving conditions is then mostly moved down from underneath the car?

With the reduced under-hood temps, is there any real possibility of reduced heat soak into a stock intercooler?

How hard is the installation?
 
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Old Mar 21, 2007 | 12:51 PM
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IT's a thermal blanket...

and yes, as the header is quite a significant source of underhood heat, and when the car is at rest, that heat just rises. So it should provide benefit there for one and all (Cooper owners, no biatching that there are no mods for you cars! )

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Old Mar 21, 2007 | 12:57 PM
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Are there pics of the 3 sensor locations?

If the Aerogel Heat Shield is primarily a heat reflector, any ideas where that reflected hot air is going to? Is it possible that some parts of the engine compartment are hotter than before?

I think this is a great idea, I'm just asking questions, trying to understand. Thanks.
 
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Old Mar 21, 2007 | 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by M7
Thank you Randy.....

Sorry about the confusion, but I finished the R&D report late last night.

The performance of this part is really something special, the underhood temps are now controlled and the temperature spikes that normally are
evident are gone.

Both the radiator overflow bottle and the steering pump will run much cooler
and the rest of the engine compartment will thank you to...

As you can see in these charts heat supression with the the new
M7 Aerogel EX is absolutly fantastic.

Peter
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Stock setup



With M7 Aerogel EX


Very, very intrigued by this. Any way a line could be fitted to this data to give a better visual for an average figure? I see the top graph definitely has more swings; seems as though the temperature would average to around 125o from time 12:05 to 12:13; bottom seems to be around ~103o from 11:31-11:39.

- Matt
 
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Old Mar 21, 2007 | 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr Obnxs
to take the photos, you have to open the hood. but the time it takes for serious cooling to occur has a time constant of many seconds to minutes, depending on the part, the temp, and local conditions. The hot air will come out, but the parts will still be hot. For the air to be imaged by the camera, it has to be much, much, much hotter.

Excellent idea on the product! Will make life easier for us HAI guys!

Matt
Originally Posted by Dr Obnxs
and yes, as the header is quite a significant source of underhood heat, and when the car is at rest, that heat just rises. So it should provide benefit there for one and all (Cooper owners, no biatching that there are no mods for you cars! )

Matt
Thank you. Explanations that actually make sense.

Now to borrow from post #19 in this thread by Bahamabart: is there a measurable performance effect?
 
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Old Mar 21, 2007 | 01:04 PM
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The heat is held below the blanket...

and is carried away by air flow when the car is in motion, just like in the cars now. Think of this as being much more effective heat sheilds that came with the car. Also, at these temps, a lot of the heat exchange is via conduction (moving air) as opposed to radiation (glowing parts). But to be fair, the exhaust header is the hottest part there is under the hood. Mines' glowed (radiated....)

Matt
 
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Old Mar 21, 2007 | 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by F15EWeapon
Pretty sweet...

How hard is the installation?

It's one of the easiest installs that you could do...

You need to remove or move to the side any oil catch cans or strut tower brace if you have one. Next unbolt two of the 10mm bolts holding down
the cam cover (very easy) add two new accessorie bolts (included).
The bolt can be seen in the image I included (#7 bolt).
The rest is cakewalk fit it in and thread the grommets over the new bolts.

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Old Mar 21, 2007 | 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Dr Obnxs

Excellent idea on the product! Will make life easier for us HAI guys!

Matt
Now, this is an interesting conclusion... Who needs a closed box intake then? Although, my HAI is getting a little bit dirty...
 
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Old Mar 21, 2007 | 01:27 PM
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M7 - an engine bay pic would be helpful
 
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Old Mar 21, 2007 | 01:38 PM
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M7 - an engine bay pic would be helpful
+1 I was woundering if I missed something. An installed pic is a must Great idea M7
 
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Old Mar 21, 2007 | 01:49 PM
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Test car is on it's way to AMVIV and I will have a chance to shoot the final product (and post) from Las Vegas.

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Old Mar 21, 2007 | 01:58 PM
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TEASE
 
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Old Mar 21, 2007 | 05:14 PM
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Makes sense to me..we try to vent hot air out of the engine bay all the time, this will help keep the heat out in the first place! Just one question, will it be available in uberblack?
 
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