Drivetrain GP intercooler installed
I look forward to seeing the new bit in person! Is Jeff gonna dyno test it again?
The numbers from the last go round were pretty darn good. Maybe a few more ponies are to be gained.
Also, I need to steal your keys.
The numbers from the last go round were pretty darn good. Maybe a few more ponies are to be gained.
Also, I need to steal your keys.
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The "Austrian Connection" is similarly priced to what you can order through the dealer. However, unless you've got a GP VIN good luck getting intercooler parts through a main dealer. It is my understanding (and my actual experience) that MINIUSA has a hold on intercooler parts for GP owners only. Your mileage may vary.
The "Austrian Connection" is similarly priced to what you can order through the dealer. However, unless you've got a GP VIN good luck getting intercooler parts through a main dealer. It is my understanding (and my actual experience) that MINIUSA has a hold on intercooler parts for GP owners only. Your mileage may vary.
I think it was a good investment, although I don't have any numbers to back it up. I like the fact that it's an OEM part and looks great. Besides, there seems to be a lot of DFIC's in the marketplace as of late. Kind of makes you wonder....
I've done more IC testing on the Mini...
that most, and what I've learned is that what's best for one car depends on other mods and how it's used. Here are some examples.....
The DFIC has great cooling, but poor pressure drop. Who would this be best for? Someone who drives on the street, with stop and go, and low car speeds. Who wouldn't this be best for? Someone who has other ways of cooling the IC, or who is always at very high speeds when there's lots of cooling air flow.
The Alta (V1 or V2) both have good pressure perfomrnace, but could have better heat transfer (And despite what some think, IC size has nothing at all to do with this). Who is this good for? Someone who has other ways of cooling, or is at high speeds (RPMs really) most of the time.
The GP will have about the same thermal behaviour as the stocker, but less pressure drop. I actually see it as a compramize between the extremes listed above.
So why the DFICs on the market? Well, a lot who are selling adopt the cutting edge, and sell it off when there's another "girl to date" so to speak. IT's not that it's a bad product (it's a good product), but it may not be best for those that are stuffing tons of air through their motors. This is the track rat crowd.
Now for the hard part. How do you actuall use your car? Most of us actually mentally amplify our extreme drivng time and impact, and actually decieve ourselves on what we need. (driven in any street cars with suspensions so stiff that you just want to get out of the car?) You also have to keep in mind what else you're using on the car (water injection reduces the thermal efficency requirments on the IC) inorder to make an optimal decision.
Matt
The DFIC has great cooling, but poor pressure drop. Who would this be best for? Someone who drives on the street, with stop and go, and low car speeds. Who wouldn't this be best for? Someone who has other ways of cooling the IC, or who is always at very high speeds when there's lots of cooling air flow.
The Alta (V1 or V2) both have good pressure perfomrnace, but could have better heat transfer (And despite what some think, IC size has nothing at all to do with this). Who is this good for? Someone who has other ways of cooling, or is at high speeds (RPMs really) most of the time.
The GP will have about the same thermal behaviour as the stocker, but less pressure drop. I actually see it as a compramize between the extremes listed above.
So why the DFICs on the market? Well, a lot who are selling adopt the cutting edge, and sell it off when there's another "girl to date" so to speak. IT's not that it's a bad product (it's a good product), but it may not be best for those that are stuffing tons of air through their motors. This is the track rat crowd.
Now for the hard part. How do you actuall use your car? Most of us actually mentally amplify our extreme drivng time and impact, and actually decieve ourselves on what we need. (driven in any street cars with suspensions so stiff that you just want to get out of the car?) You also have to keep in mind what else you're using on the car (water injection reduces the thermal efficency requirments on the IC) inorder to make an optimal decision.
Matt
that most, and what I've learned is that what's best for one car depends on other mods and how it's used. Here are some examples.....
The DFIC has great cooling, but poor pressure drop. Who would this be best for? Someone who drives on the street, with stop and go, and low car speeds. Who wouldn't this be best for? Someone who has other ways of cooling the IC, or who is always at very high speeds when there's lots of cooling air flow.
The Alta (V1 or V2) both have good pressure perfomrnace, but could have better heat transfer (And despite what some think, IC size has nothing at all to do with this). Who is this good for? Someone who has other ways of cooling, or is at high speeds (RPMs really) most of the time.
The GP will have about the same thermal behaviour as the stocker, but less pressure drop. I actually see it as a compramize between the extremes listed above.
So why the DFICs on the market? Well, a lot who are selling adopt the cutting edge, and sell it off when there's another "girl to date" so to speak. IT's not that it's a bad product (it's a good product), but it may not be best for those that are stuffing tons of air through their motors. This is the track rat crowd.
Now for the hard part. How do you actuall use your car? Most of us actually mentally amplify our extreme drivng time and impact, and actually decieve ourselves on what we need. (driven in any street cars with suspensions so stiff that you just want to get out of the car?) You also have to keep in mind what else you're using on the car (water injection reduces the thermal efficency requirments on the IC) inorder to make an optimal decision.
Matt
The DFIC has great cooling, but poor pressure drop. Who would this be best for? Someone who drives on the street, with stop and go, and low car speeds. Who wouldn't this be best for? Someone who has other ways of cooling the IC, or who is always at very high speeds when there's lots of cooling air flow.
The Alta (V1 or V2) both have good pressure perfomrnace, but could have better heat transfer (And despite what some think, IC size has nothing at all to do with this). Who is this good for? Someone who has other ways of cooling, or is at high speeds (RPMs really) most of the time.
The GP will have about the same thermal behaviour as the stocker, but less pressure drop. I actually see it as a compramize between the extremes listed above.
So why the DFICs on the market? Well, a lot who are selling adopt the cutting edge, and sell it off when there's another "girl to date" so to speak. IT's not that it's a bad product (it's a good product), but it may not be best for those that are stuffing tons of air through their motors. This is the track rat crowd.
Now for the hard part. How do you actuall use your car? Most of us actually mentally amplify our extreme drivng time and impact, and actually decieve ourselves on what we need. (driven in any street cars with suspensions so stiff that you just want to get out of the car?) You also have to keep in mind what else you're using on the car (water injection reduces the thermal efficency requirments on the IC) inorder to make an optimal decision.
Matt
Given Matt's view on intercoolers, I can say the GP IC is a great fit for me and my driving style. It also compliments the water/methanol injection system I am running nicely.
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Especially at the low to mid end (2k - 5k), much much better.
I don't know if it only because the new IC that might have worked well with my engine config or not, but I'm sure something right must have happened from this process, and I notice the difference and I really love it.
Last edited by Maxicooper; Apr 16, 2007 at 07:54 PM.
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From: Lisboa
Hello
Thanks
I´m owner of a John Cooper Works 210 Kit with a GTT Hybrid Induction Kit. I think the GP IC is a good upgrade for my MINI. If it will be necessary I make a ECU remap for better performance.
What you find the remap?
Best Regards
Thanks
I´m owner of a John Cooper Works 210 Kit with a GTT Hybrid Induction Kit. I think the GP IC is a good upgrade for my MINI. If it will be necessary I make a ECU remap for better performance.
What you find the remap?
Best Regards
I woldn't bother
for just an IC. If you want the most power out of your car, though, you may want to go to a tuner that a) knows how to dyno-tune and b) has the right tools to really hack the ECU. This depends on where you live as to who (if any) can really do your car.
Matt
Matt
Like I said in another thread, I live in the middle of nowhere and I have to drive three hours to the nearest Chicago Mini dealer. It is the only option I have for a different ECU burn ,the JCW ECU upgrade.
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From: Ellicott City, MD
I decide to go with the JCW flash for a while, then will experiment with the GP flash and will probably try "custom tune" sometimes in the future.
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