Why would you only want it for the summer months? Hell you think it helps then you should see how it works when its cold!

 

The only Mini tuners that I am aware of that use hydraulic dynos are:
DMH
LDG
Dinan
Alta

And the only tuners with access to the ecu for custom tuning are:
DMH/MTH
LDG/Dimsport
Dinan/proprietary

If I am missing some information please let me know so I can update it.

 

We did do some basic tuning before the WI started. There wasn't really much to be had except low end power. I think it was about 5-6 or so down low. Of course the problem with the AFC is screws with both fueling and timing when you tune with it. I have the graphs from the ECU only tuning, but they weren't super exciting so i never posted them.

That also would be a good test!

...................... very shortly.

Of course! You know, there is no reason to **** people off, weather it is a customer or competitor. I think we get along with most everyone, and most everyone gets along with us. I think this is because we are not hiding things, or making things up about our parts. We are honest, and real with everyone.

 

Nah, the car doesnt like anything below 30f. It runs best in the 40~60f range. I wouldnt run WI unless I needed too. I already have plenty of power. I am working on consistancy and driveability at the moment. In the Hot months I am pulling a lot of timing, so its very noticable, thats when I want it to be more consistant with the cooler temps.

 

dmh wrote:
"And the only tuners with access to the ecu for custom tuning are:
DMH/MTH
LDG/Dimsport
Dinan/proprietary

"If I am missing some information please let me know so I can update it."


So, neither Fireballed Racing nor HWSNBN do custom tuning?

 

TrickleX you know I forget not everyone lives in Florida...When it got in the 40's once or twice here, the power difference was amazing with WI...

 

I've been researching this system a bit on other boards and am seriously considering purchasing one. I see two features that make this system worth the expense. One being the progressive nature of the system and the second being the built-in safety features. Regarding the safety features, I don't really see the LED warning light (that alerts you to a blocked nozzle) being that great of a feature, and by great I mean something that sets the system apart from others. I do see the ability to switch maps as being a great feature, but it's not available on the MINI as stated above. My question would be if this system will at some time be able to integrate with the MINI's ECU. This could be a question for ALTA as they are currently working on custom ECU tuning or another tuner with knowledge of the ECU. TIA for any helpful response. The 1st quarter bonus check should be rolling in soon

 

SayGoodBye,
The warning light is just part of the failsafe. When the system detects a blocked nozzle, it also turns on a relay. This relay gives you the ability to do a lot of things. Yes switching maps isn't something that can be done with the OEM mini ECU (yet), but with standalone ECU yes. But there are many other things you can do with with it. You could have it setup to cut fuel, or open a Blow-off valve, or ( the crazy method) by a GM SC by-pass (it has both a vacuum and pressure port) and hook up a solenoid to make it dump boost under that fault. Also you can hook up the relay to turn on a brighter light. But it is important to have the LED along with the other parts to tell you there is a problem with the system so you know to check things out.

But a couple other points is that if you are using the WI system with out ECU tuning (which it sound like some would be doning), then the light, or LED on the display is all you need. It would be very simple.

 

So what is this, like $900 plus a custom tune?!

 

Actually $830 plus a custom tune. Normally dyno time/tuning time costs $200 an hour. Depending on the tune, it would take 2 hours or so. But like we found, and some others, there are gains to be had by no tune. just not as much.

If it is a cost thing, for $830, you gain some power, and a lot of safety. For $1200 you gain more power and the same reliabilty. A good comparo is the ALTA headers to this price. For a similar price, the PWI-1 gains about the same power (no ECU tuning) and adds a large safety margin.

 

Mines on the way.........YES!

anything tricky about setting it up? I am going to run a tank in the rear, do you guys sugest a certain company. and with the tank in the rear will I need a priming pump? thanx in advance.

 

 

going for before and after dyno runs!

so we'll see how it does in some hot weather. then we go to the track to see what it REALLY can do! isnt that right paul?

 

Great thread !! I have a different system, variable boost and on/off !! I ran into ign issues on my dyno runs last week.. PULLED TO REDLINE ONCE and then would only pull to 6K. A/F was on the button , was just loosing spark!! I was/am looking for the "real life runs" or hot lapping the car.. ( less than 15 min cool downs) and no fan over the stock I/C. Which I feel will be closer to a street/ stop lite/ most drivers kinda test, the cooler the engine and cooler air temp should show better results and gains, yes??

I pulled the test after 3 runs.. I was running a 25% WM and pulled 7.5 WHP gain .. NO tune -stock I/C-stock cam- and 1 ball with a pulley. I hope to run again, and post the results, with more info..

WM is the future...

Just me........................................

Thumper

 

I cant wait to get it. should be here tomorrow so weekend install for me :P I'm running stock ic also, and a bunch of other goodies that I think is going to love the water meth.

 

LOL... as my friend in the UK says... " this IS the future"!! For a good street car, the wm is cheaper and better than an I/C that takes air flow.. yes?? This is why I am running my tests on a hot I/C and just a fan on the rad... of course add the air flow and the i/c working... it is only a PLUS!! Yes?? Might be dumb to show only the hot results va the cool and cold results, but here in Fl... that is all there is!! ( and to most of us.. it is stop lites... stop lites.. freaking stop lites!! ) LOL

I'm back on the dyno tommrow morning... we will see!!

Just me......................................

Thumper

 

Yes...it doesn't matter that my IC heat soaked to 130F, once on boost, the WM immediatly starts cooling off the intake charge and the MAP reading shows lower than ambient... It does go through a lot of WM mix...still looking for cheaper sources...best I've found is 5 gallons methanol for $32 local...which comes to $3.20/gallon when mixed 50/50...

 

 

I've done that...don't! There's still impurities in these bottles that gum up your IC...since I've gone straight 99.9% methanol mixed with distilled water, the inside of my IC is clean and dry of any film...

 

 

what mix have you been using? or water/meth ratio?

 

50/50

 

COOOL.... I just ran the dyno on my W/M system, no fan on the i/c, just the rad!! It is in 91-93* Fl heat. I "hot lapped " the engine ( less than 5 min cool downs) to simulate STREET driving. With cooler air the number will be higher... higher air flow across the I/C the numbers will be better... and a "TUNE" will allow the methanol to build MORE power.. But I didn't do any of that.. I hooked it up!! cooled the rad !! and ran the mess out of it!!

I have the 15% / 1 ball / Altra CAI / stock ECU / cam and head and the adjustable W/M system from ....

On a 25% mix = 11 Actual WHP !! 45% mix... the same!! 65% mix... the same!! SOOOooooo.... IF you run a stock ECU look at 11 WHP gains!!
IF you can tune the car... a heck of a lot more!! Total Actual WHP is 181.04 on the meth and 170 off!!

OH.. we ran exhaust open and pulled 3 more HP vs the 1 Ball exhaust !! for a 184 at the wheels. Again.. un corrected 90+ heat and no I/C fan , and NO tune!! sweet huh??

Just me.....................................

Thumper

 

nice, cant wait to see how it does a little north of ya. still hot as bawls!

I am mostly interested with the cooling effect to keep the HP I already have for longer, so thats some great news for me! thanks for the post thumper.

 

could this also be hooked up to an intercooler sprayer?