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Old Feb 19, 2007 | 04:13 PM
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I have read up on the oil catch can for my 04 MCS, but i was wondering what kind of reviews the Oil catch can has got. My MCS has 80,000 on it so I wouldn't be surprised if there has been oil buildup in the IC. I would like to know the results from the install, good or bad. is it worth the purchase?
 
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Old Feb 19, 2007 | 04:18 PM
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i can tell you from experience that the oil catch can is effective in catching oil that is in the intake system. however be sure to empty the can on a regualr bais. becasue most people don't realize it but there is also water vapor in the crank case and the water will also collect in the oil catch can. and if you live in an area where it freezes often in the winter time it can freeze the water in the catch can and create positive pressure in the crank case. on the car i saw this happen to the pressure cracked the vavle cover and sprayed oil on tyhe exhaust and caught on fire.

again i'm not trying to scare ya form the oil catch can system i just want to warn ya of what could happen if not attended to.
 
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Old Feb 20, 2007 | 07:37 AM
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OCCs do work, I don't think anyone will argue that here. OCCs are more about increasing engine longevity than anything else. I think its more of a question of mod priorities and $ value. Clearly, its not a must have but a nice to have.

As to the problem of water freezing and creating a pressure issue - for that to happen the OCC would have to be full = neglectful maintance. While OCCs size can vary most have a way to monitor how much is in the can.
 
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Old Feb 20, 2007 | 10:35 AM
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Exactly correct about the vapor/water buildup. You MUST check the can at least every month in the winter. (Chicago). The can freezes all of the vapor and holds very little oil after 29k miles. If you are willing to ADHERE to a schedule...and drain the can even after the 22nd day below freezing for a high...it might be for you. For me I would not do the mod again. Just not enough oil to scare me has been trapped...but plenty of the clear stuff to discourage. I vote NO.
 
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Old Feb 20, 2007 | 11:08 AM
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I check mine every 3 months (I also live in Florida, so freezing is not an issue). I trap about a tablespoon of oil per month.

Again not a must have, nice to have and I can think of a lot of other mods before doing this.
 
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Old Feb 20, 2007 | 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by lou
Exactly correct about the vapor/water buildup. You MUST check the can at least every month in the winter. (Chicago). The can freezes all of the vapor and holds very little oil after 29k miles. If you are willing to ADHERE to a schedule...and drain the can even after the 22nd day below freezing for a high...it might be for you. For me I would not do the mod again. Just not enough oil to scare me has been trapped...but plenty of the clear stuff to discourage. I vote NO.
I am curious to hear how you have it plumbed.
Depending on how you have the hoses hooked up, you will either catch oil or water.
 
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Old Feb 20, 2007 | 01:42 PM
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i've found that it largely depends on your style of driving and how much blow-by your engine has. since driving more aggressively lately due to the cold weather; i've noticed as much as a 1/4 cup in 3 fill ups or so . but with this free h.p. this time of yr. it's tough to back off .
 
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Old Feb 22, 2007 | 12:33 AM
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thanks for the help. Yea, i think in the long run it is definitely worth it. Especially since i'll be flippin 100k in about a year or two. BUt for now this might be near the bottom of my priority list.
 
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Old Feb 22, 2007 | 05:57 AM
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Installation is per Alta specs and instructions. It does appear to be normal in colder climates. Thanks.
 
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Old Feb 22, 2007 | 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by lou
Installation is per Alta specs and instructions. It does appear to be normal in colder climates. Thanks.
I'm pretty sure concensus has been reached as to the RIGHT way to plumb the OCC to catch oil, and nothing else.



This routing has proven to catch oil and work. I recently pulled by DFIC off and there wasn't even a *odor* of oil in it!

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Old Feb 24, 2007 | 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by DrPhilGandini
I'm pretty sure concensus has been reached as to the RIGHT way to plumb the OCC to catch oil, and nothing else.



This routing has proven to catch oil and work. I recently pulled by DFIC off and there wasn't even a *odor* of oil in it!

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Having tried both install methods, I tend to agree w/ the Doc that this is the better set-up of the two out there.
 
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Old Feb 24, 2007 | 11:19 AM
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DrPhil has the correct diagram. This is the best way & only way to insure that there is good crankcase venting.
 
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Old Feb 24, 2007 | 07:42 PM
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Ditto to the above; that's the way I have mine hooked up as well. It works very well...
 
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Old Mar 12, 2007 | 12:34 PM
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another option?

Hi guys,

I'm installing mine now and I have two questions:

1.) Is it worth it to install a cranckcase vent filter on the line (short green line in Dr. Phil G's diagram) coming out of the driver's side of the valve cover and cap off the inlet on the intake hose? I had a normally aspirated Saturn coupe before and this was the preferred setup there from a performance standpoint (no burning of oil vapors from crankcase)... environmental considerations aside of course.

2.) Can I use the rubber hose from alta to attach to the grey line from the SC or will it collapse (blue line in Dr. Phil G's diagram)? If the rubber hose is no good, what's a better solution?

Thanks!
 
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Old Mar 12, 2007 | 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Crow
Hi guys,

I'm installing mine now and I have two questions:

1.) Is it worth it to install a cranckcase vent filter on the line (short green line in Dr. Phil G's diagram) coming out of the driver's side of the valve cover and cap off the inlet on the intake hose? I had a normally aspirated Saturn coupe before and this was the preferred setup there from a performance standpoint (no burning of oil vapors from crankcase)... environmental considerations aside of course.

2.) Can I use the rubber hose from alta to attach to the grey line from the SC or will it collapse (blue line in Dr. Phil G's diagram)? If the rubber hose is no good, what's a better solution? .


Thanks!
so long as the crankcase can breath it'll be okay but may get messy when you go heavy boost and push oil out of it . alot of guys are using another c.c. in line there .
 
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Old Mar 12, 2007 | 02:21 PM
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also fuel line of a good sturdy quality works great ; no collapse .
 
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Old Mar 12, 2007 | 07:54 PM
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so long as the crankcase can breath it'll be okay but may get messy when you go heavy boost and push oil out of it...
Ahhh... that makes sense... I guess that's why nobody does this with forced induction. Thanks!
 
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Old Mar 12, 2007 | 11:23 PM
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should the two occ be the same mfg or doe it not matter
 
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Old Mar 13, 2007 | 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by mistro
should the two occ be the same mfg or doe it not matter
functionally doesn't matter.
 
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Old Mar 13, 2007 | 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by mistro
should the two occ be the same mfg or doe it not matter
do a search on the $16.00 catch can . it works great !!!
walmart and lowes and auto zone .
 
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