Drivetrain Intercooler in and out temps
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I didn't have a single bad thing to say about the guages. Reread the thread, you will see that jaridp was the one with something to say. My problem was that you said somethng that cost half as much couldn't compare to the product YOU sell. That is a reaccuring theme around here.
That, and knowing the temp of the intake charge - so you can know when to cool 'er down or shut 'er down.
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Well... so it's a 1 time reading deal then? I mean, street wise, it's not a whole lot of use.
I'm sure you can do things like change to a bigger IC, make a IC sprayer, or spray Cryo on the IC to make the intake air colder and get readings from that. But one would already know by doing the above, it'd cool the intake air... just don't know by how much.
Other that that, once the reading is done. Thats it, isn't it? I'm just not so sure this gauge is worth it.
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The gauge is probably more useful on the track isn't it? But if the intake air is too hot, then from my guesstimate, wouldn't the engine (oil) would already be over heating?
So in that case, wouldn't a engine oil and/or water temp gauge be more cost effective?
Once again, I'm not trying to put anyone or vendor down... I'm just struggling to see the benefits and purposes of this (quite expensive) single gauge.
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The gauge is probably more useful on the track isn't it? But if the intake air is too hot, then from my guesstimate, wouldn't the engine (oil) would already be over heating?
So in that case, wouldn't a engine oil and/or water temp gauge be more cost effective?
Once again, I'm not trying to put anyone or vendor down... I'm just struggling to see the benefits and purposes of this (quite expensive) single gauge.
So in that case, wouldn't a engine oil and/or water temp gauge be more cost effective?
Once again, I'm not trying to put anyone or vendor down... I'm just struggling to see the benefits and purposes of this (quite expensive) single gauge.
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If I had to just do one gauge I'd do something like what this guy did: http://www.my-gmc.com/engine.htm
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Thanks for your reply.
Well... so it's a 1 time reading deal then? I mean, street wise, it's not a whole lot of use.
I'm sure you can do things like change to a bigger IC, make a IC sprayer, or spray Cryo on the IC to make the intake air colder and get readings from that. But one would already know by doing the above, it'd cool the intake air... just don't know by how much.
Other that that, once the reading is done. Thats it, isn't it? I'm just not so sure this gauge is worth it.
Well... so it's a 1 time reading deal then? I mean, street wise, it's not a whole lot of use.
I'm sure you can do things like change to a bigger IC, make a IC sprayer, or spray Cryo on the IC to make the intake air colder and get readings from that. But one would already know by doing the above, it'd cool the intake air... just don't know by how much.
Other that that, once the reading is done. Thats it, isn't it? I'm just not so sure this gauge is worth it.
You would use this gauge primarly for testing... after you are done testing... you are done testing. this gauge would be extremely usefull for somebody comparing all of the intercoolers in one day!
The best thing would be for someone to buy one and then rent it out to others!
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Same here! Oil pressure is the most important single gauge you can have. That is the gauge that tells you wether or not you should shut her down!
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I am trying to answer all your questions in one post,
First of all, I want to remind all of you that SPA gauges are not for everyone. They are bloody expensive.
Grahammxx, your interior looks fantastic with these gauges, very classy, good taste.
Lets talk pricing, I was asked by SPA to offer you this gauge at the price of $480, SPA has it for sale on their website for over $600. So there will not be a group buy in the future.
Kapps, we can offer all other SPA gauges, please check the SPA website and call us for special pricing.
Again, this is not the gauge for everyone,
I am sure you can find some other gauges for a fraction of the cost,
either square, rectangle or other.
This is a new product from SPA, and made specifically for the MINI, so this is why they asked us to bring it here.
If you do not like it, or if you think that SPA gauges are too expensive and not worth the money, by all means go buy something else.
Interesting, its always the two same local Arizona boys, that have always something bad to say about the product offered........ if you can't afford it, we understand.
Always striving to bring you the best
Victor
First of all, I want to remind all of you that SPA gauges are not for everyone. They are bloody expensive.
Grahammxx, your interior looks fantastic with these gauges, very classy, good taste.
Lets talk pricing, I was asked by SPA to offer you this gauge at the price of $480, SPA has it for sale on their website for over $600. So there will not be a group buy in the future.
Kapps, we can offer all other SPA gauges, please check the SPA website and call us for special pricing.
Again, this is not the gauge for everyone,
I am sure you can find some other gauges for a fraction of the cost,
either square, rectangle or other.
This is a new product from SPA, and made specifically for the MINI, so this is why they asked us to bring it here.
If you do not like it, or if you think that SPA gauges are too expensive and not worth the money, by all means go buy something else.
Interesting, its always the two same local Arizona boys, that have always something bad to say about the product offered........ if you can't afford it, we understand.
Always striving to bring you the best
Victor
Victor, its appearnt.
Also, if you reread the post I didn't say anything bad about your gauge! I didn't say that it doesn't work or that you shouldn't buy it because its junk or that you shouldn't buy it BECAUSE I SELL SOMETHING BETTER.
You are very sensitive... and thats okay... but try not to fly off the handle with insults that we cannot afford your product. I will not fall into your trap of "affluance" and money. I don't care how much money you have or don't... nor anyone else on this board. To post uncalled for insults like that is pure slander.
I bite my tounge so much when you post that its not even funny.
How is your race car coming along that is supposed to beat me?
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What are you talking about?
you are acting like a child. you are probably twice my age... perhaps you should act it.
My other two posts aren't even addressing you! what is your deal?
and then when i do address you, you don't even have a reasonable response.
you are acting like a child. you are probably twice my age... perhaps you should act it.
My other two posts aren't even addressing you! what is your deal?
and then when i do address you, you don't even have a reasonable response.
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If the intercooler gauge is NOT FOR YOU
how about these.......
Oil temp/ oil pressure with alarm
Boost and Temp...........
or what about this one MAYBE for the new R56 owners
I FORGOT.......THESE ARE TOO EXPENSIVE......
I SHOULD BE HERE ADVERTIZING THESE
OIL PRESSURE GAUGE $15.99....anyone interested, maybe a group buy.......
Victor
how about these.......
Oil temp/ oil pressure with alarm
Boost and Temp...........
or what about this one MAYBE for the new R56 owners
I FORGOT.......THESE ARE TOO EXPENSIVE......
I SHOULD BE HERE ADVERTIZING THESE
OIL PRESSURE GAUGE $15.99....anyone interested, maybe a group buy.......
Victor
Last edited by Mini Works; Sep 4, 2007 at 10:55 AM.
The gauge is probably more useful on the track isn't it? But if the intake air is too hot, then from my guesstimate, wouldn't the engine (oil) would already be over heating?
So in that case, wouldn't a engine oil and/or water temp gauge be more cost effective?
Once again, I'm not trying to put anyone or vendor down... I'm just struggling to see the benefits and purposes of this (quite expensive) single gauge.
So in that case, wouldn't a engine oil and/or water temp gauge be more cost effective?
Once again, I'm not trying to put anyone or vendor down... I'm just struggling to see the benefits and purposes of this (quite expensive) single gauge.
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dont forget the free shipping!
yes there are some people on here who are all abou the "deal" at the moment. They don't realize that they can purchase the expensive item once... and that they may have to purchase the cheap item two or three times because of how often it will break.
I trust that your "cheapness" comments were not aimed in the direction... because for the most part we are on the same page, well except for headers...
yes there are some people on here who are all abou the "deal" at the moment. They don't realize that they can purchase the expensive item once... and that they may have to purchase the cheap item two or three times because of how often it will break.
I trust that your "cheapness" comments were not aimed in the direction... because for the most part we are on the same page, well except for headers...
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IAT would be an indicator of how much power is being robbed by the ECU (dumping fuel to cool down the charge to eliminate detonation.) Could provide interesting data if you made any upstream changes (CAI, ported SC, etc.) IMO it's definitely not a gauge you'd use when driving to the grocery store - more for tuning and the 'cool' factor. Other gauges provide other info, it's really about what you're looking for. Many things would be more cost effective - SPA and Defi are not about cost effectiveness. But they're top quality, and they sell, so there are people out there who value what they provide.
I'm in the process of getting 4 Defi gauges namely Boost, water temp, oil press, and oil temp. They are definately top notch in quality, plus it has the matching Amber lights.
This IC in-out temp has got me thinking, as I also intend to do some custom IC sprayer thing. And it'd be nice to know how well it's working.
But... Mini work's sarcasm is uncalled for... Enough to put any thoughts of buying it off.
question - the M7 DFIC has two "bungs" (i think is the term) will this guage work properly if the probes are attached to them?
I raise this because people have had to tap other locations to get acurate temp readings - using other makes of temp guages.
I raise this because people have had to tap other locations to get acurate temp readings - using other makes of temp guages.
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