Could be. But what I am trying to convey is that it is easy to buy and bolt pieces on. What is far more difficult is to find the guy who can make them work correctly.

 

I'm already with you on that. I have friends that could piece together a turbo or twincharge set-up for my car, but then I look at what happens to their cars when they do stuff like that, and I get queasy

 

Well here are the sheets and and all i can say is WOW! Great Job Don
Just check out that boost with the 19%

 

I heard that The reason I did not post is that it is not my company or place to post.... I personally don't care..... now that I have posted I will keep you up on developments..... there is hope for the 62.... we have not gotten it there but apparently Don has...... congrats.....

who knows what the "gain" number mean in the Dynopack.....

 

I have the same exact type of upgrades acept for a 15% pulley along with Nology wires, NGK spark plugs, throttle body, an M7 OCC along with custom tunning.

Want to get a dyno but with so many here having similar to exact uppgrades as mine it pretty much tells me what kind of power my car is putting out.

 

Except that car has the MTH and on top of that the Perfect Power ecu kit, probably tuned on a dyno and on the road.

 

You have the DMH head? If not, remember what Don says: all mods are not the same! Who makes the "stage 2 head" ?

cheers,

 

Head is from Mini Mania. The custom tunning is what's making the whole upgrades work very well together and run strong.

I just need to find a decent shop to do a dyno test on the car. Anyone has any ideas as to where in San Francisco bay area?

 

Hi Tüls, does this mean you have cracked the ECU on the R56?

 

Very gratefull for this thread...i really had doubts about this upgrade and will stay on my single turbo route, test drove the R56 as well as a Mazda speed 3 for my wife, as loyal as i am to the mini i that 3 is a beast, i can see her driving my 02 S and me inheriting the Mazda speed.

 

What about Header Don?

 

stock

 

Wow - Mike and Keith! I remember them, as I was a kid when I worked there. I have fond memories of after hours time with Peter taking me under his wing at Promotion.

Mike's 914-6 and the rides I had in it were inspiration for the next 4 914s I had! Keith's EP car was one of the reasons I got into racing!

I still remember a ride I got from Mike in a modified Ruf Promotion had built - first time I was scared in a car!

Good times...



On a side note, that number is relatively straightforward to get on a car with good headwork. If the tuning is done correctly, over 200 is commonplace as long as the car isn't blocked by the exhaust port.

Side note 2 - I told Spidey in the beginning of all of this that the potential wasn't that much greater for the MP62, that it may provide better torque sooner, and may be easier to get to the top numbers, but the delta wouldn't be that much bigger than on a hopped up M45. Also, screw up the tuning on a project like this, and it can go boom!

Anyway, thanks for the memories Don - times when I was a long haired, know nothing, punk kid that got goosebumps form just being around cars like those at Promotion!

Randy

 

Does that mean you got a hair cut? I keed, I keed...

 

Yeah - the MAN made me do it! Always having to conform....

 

Hi Randy,

it is curious that Don claims some pretty high numbers from his experience with the 62....... it is a ll a big experiment...... the tq is pretty strong and the A/F are very much in the safe range.... hopefully no boom....

Bob

 

Peace Bob,
Maybe a call to David at BBR in the UK would do you some good. This is an old project for them and they might be ablt to help demystify some of the unkowns here. Don's claim of high HP #'s with the M62 may have to do with using a different type of dyno. You are holding your standard based on a Mustang dyno. Don just reported numbers from a different type of dyno. As Randy said the numbers Don reported are pretty typical for the mods done. I am sure i he'd of done his dyno on the Helix dyno, it would not be anywhere near 216 with 182 tq. You've done enough dynos to know these numbers can fluctuate quite a bit. A talk with David might help determine all the advatages and limitations of this project.

 

I may have missed it, because I didn't read carefully enough, but did Don do any 62 testing on the MINI? His numbers are comparing the MP62 to what he has done using the M45 (the standard supercharger). It say in his info about the car it is using a 19% pulley (which would indicate an M45).

Booms usually happen on the west coast anyway .

Randy

 

Peace be with you,

I believe that David is using a centrifugal type supercharger, not the MP62. I'm sure he would still have insight though.

Randy

 

Go back to post #65 on page 3 of this thread, the next several posts give the details.

 

The M62 car Bob was referring to is not the same car as mentioned in the dyno above. Don mentioned something about another mini he'd installed the M62 that produced over 235 hp from the kit. So... is that 235+ on a Mustang or Dynojet or what?
Anyway, i think your (Randy's) statement above about the project potential pretty much sums it up. With the proper tune there can be some moderate gains, without the proper tune it may be less than a nicely modded M45. What happened to the M7 numbers?

 

Oh, no you didn't... Here we go again...

 

The kit from England is $20-30K..... it better perform...

There is no way a 45 car can put out the feel of the 62 car....

 

I would agree, the kit from the UK is a bit expensive, but they have worked out a system that works well. When comparing the amount of output from say the M62 vs. turbo, turbo appears more bang for the buck, but the issues that come up are similar. Even the M45 is a little large for a 1.6L.

When you put a larger supercharger or turbo on these cars, the problem is not bolting them on but revamping the stock ecu. Using the Lucky Dog and Mini Madness turbo project as an example, the kit has yet to be released because John at LDG is so meticulous he won't release the OK until he's worked out the ECU. He's been saying 98% there for almost a year. On the MM car featured in the Euro mag, the ECU was bypassed. Is the Fireballed 400+ hp mini running stock ECU? Bypassing the ECU usually means bypassing emissions. So as DDM commented on the task, it's not so easy.

And i am sure the torque of the M62 is greater than the M45. I saw folks mention the M62 cars may have cooler air. What is the sc drain comparison on the motor from the M62 vs. M45?

In all this the point is not to be oppositional or a naysayer, but why reinvent the wheel. The M62 has been around for a while. There are some who have figured the pros and cons of the project. Cooperation helps.

Just remember the journey is the goal. Enjoy.

 

Last we heard they were having some fueling issues...........it's been awhile and that thread has all but died.

Bob, I think you've been lucky so far in that your car is still running. Pushing the envelope is fine as long as your willing to accept all the bad things that can happen to your car.

I was talking to a local tuner here in Norcal who races and modifies Audis and VWs. They attempted to develop an M62 package for the NA 4-banger VW engine. Having already experimented with the M45 with positive results they got a customer to donate a mule and forged ahead with the project.

To make a long story short they learned some of the same lessons it appears are being learned with the Mini application - namely while torque got a decent boost, they were having a hell of a time tuning the car. They pushed and pushed and pushed with the end result being a grenaded engine. Final verdict - in order to properly implement the kit, the entire ECU would need to be revamped, each car individually tuned, etc. They stopped there. When I told them the same thing was being tried with the 1.6L MCS engine, they predicted that the kit would never be sold. As one of the tech put it, "that itty bitty engine will not like that 62 at all."

I hope that whoever owns the Mini out here receiving the M7 M62 transplant is as happy with his car as you are Bob. I don't think it's good that we haven't heard anything yet. Screw the numbers for now - it's obvious the kit is nowhere near complete - I'd like to know how that M7 car is doing.