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Old Jan 4, 2007 | 11:43 PM
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ehh.. this is what NAM is known for... there are product nutswingers and then there are the sensor geeks... and then there are like 4-5 racers... the racers car about results... the sensor geeks care about 1 or 2 degrees etc... but don't really race there cars... they just drive spiritedly and then the product nutswingers buy there products from one manufacturer and then once they purchase it... they are convinced that they are the best products on the face of the planet and everyone else is wrong... like i said its NAM... I expect it... LOL bu somehow i can't stay away! LOL

you are welcome to see it... im sure we can arrange some sort of meeting with you when you are in the valley.

the install wasn't difficult at all... just time consuming. I guess i would say that a pulley install is more difficult and requires more complicated tools and process... The intercooler takes longer to instal but is less demanding if that makes any sense at all.
Now I feel bad for not being a racer...guess I'll have to change my ways...
 
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Old Jan 5, 2007 | 12:39 AM
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isellem...

Do you have any dimensions for the heat exchanger that comes with the kit?

Ive been using a tranny cooler for my W2A for a while and i dont think i'm using the system to its capacity with such a small cooler...

Also, whats the capacity of the holding tank?



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Old Jan 5, 2007 | 09:53 AM
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Now I feel bad for not being a racer...guess I'll have to change my ways...
well... the fist step is admiting you have a problem...


Im just kidding of course!
 
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Old Jan 5, 2007 | 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by not-so-rednwhitecooper
isellem...

Do you have any dimensions for the heat exchanger that comes with the kit?

Ive been using a tranny cooler for my W2A for a while and i dont think i'm using the system to its capacity with such a small cooler...

Also, whats the capacity of the holding tank?



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well, its mounted now... so i can't get you the exact measurements... but its about two inches shorter than the condensor across and about 8-9 inches tall... those are pure guesses... sorry... george from madness could probably help you better than I...

there is about a gallon of water in the system. There really isn't a capacity tank that you fill... there is an overflow tank, but it is sealed. it would probably hold about 2 cups of water.

by the way... this thing is awesome. sometime next week i will try to log the IAT's so i can show you guys how well this works
 
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Old Jan 5, 2007 | 09:25 PM
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Yay for Justin's awesomeness!
 
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Old Jan 5, 2007 | 11:16 PM
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Cool. That would be great.

I can try and get some readings before and after (I have to reinstall everything again, it was off for the winter but I want it back on) on my car with my custom setup. I plan on using more water than that though. I think with under a gallon of water, for daily driving and street driving, it will just heat up with no way to cool it. I'll see what I can do to modify my system to make it a bit more "daily driver" like.
 
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Old Jan 6, 2007 | 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by not-so-rednwhitecooper
Cool. That would be great.

I can try and get some readings before and after (I have to reinstall everything again, it was off for the winter but I want it back on) on my car with my custom setup. I plan on using more water than that though. I think with under a gallon of water, for daily driving and street driving, it will just heat up with no way to cool it. I'll see what I can do to modify my system to make it a bit more "daily driver" like.
the heat exchanger mounted in front of the car really does cool the water rather well.
 
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Old Jan 6, 2007 | 02:00 PM
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if water wetter works well in radiators ... would it not help with this set up ?
 
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Old Jan 6, 2007 | 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by herbie hind
if water wetter works well in radiators ... would it not help with this set up ?
Yes, water wetter i excellent for this application! Thats what we are running some in our set up
 
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Old Jan 8, 2007 | 10:42 AM
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Since I drive my car in the winter, I dont believe I can use water wetter.

I think im going to have to stick with a water/ethelyne glycol mix.
 
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Old Jan 8, 2007 | 10:49 AM
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Water wetter is just a surfactant..

Originally Posted by not-so-rednwhitecooper
Since I drive my car in the winter, I dont believe I can use water wetter.

I think im going to have to stick with a water/ethelyne glycol mix.
you can add it to DI water or water/antifreeze mix, it helps with them all. For your winters, don't just go 50% water 50% antifreeze. Look at the temps you get, and do a mix to protect you from that, and a bit more. Water has more heat capacity than antifreeze, so the coolant will work better for heat transfer the less antifreeze you have in it.

If this is too much a hassle, just use the 50/50 mix and you'll be fine.....

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Old Jan 11, 2007 | 09:07 AM
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Wow! You guys and gals are nuts! The abundance of knowledge permeating through this forum is daunting and breathtaking! Keep it up!
 
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Old Jan 12, 2007 | 01:10 AM
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made 228whp... at the dyno... an increase of 26whp... that was in combination of custom software as well...

looks like we have to put new injectors in it too... im pretty sure we just hit the limits of the injectors
 
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Old Jan 12, 2007 | 05:07 AM
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that's unpossible...

HA HA!! WOOOT! congrats man!! that's awsome... glad that software is werkin out for ya... AND the maddness water to air.... LOL that's just silly!!!
 

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Old Jan 12, 2007 | 05:37 AM
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Originally Posted by isellem
made 228whp... at the dyno... an increase of 26whp... that was in combination of custom software as well...

looks like we have to put new injectors in it too... im pretty sure we just hit the limits of the injectors


I was told in another thread that water to air didn't work. Congratulations on the number!

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Old Jan 12, 2007 | 05:45 AM
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I was told in another thread that water to air didn't work. Congratulations on the number!

Bill
heh yea.... threads... they also say twincharging doesn't work either... but... heh heh
 
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Old Jan 12, 2007 | 06:57 AM
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Is there any concern about the kit's front mount radiator blocking the stock radiator? Wouldn't this system cause the engine to run a bit hotter? I suppose this can be managed by changing the water/coolant mixture and using water wetter, but you'd probably have to keep a close eye on it. And having a water temp guage would be wise also.
 
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Old Jan 12, 2007 | 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by jaynicholson
Is there any concern about the kit's front mount radiator blocking the stock radiator? Wouldn't this system cause the engine to run a bit hotter? I suppose this can be managed by changing the water/coolant mixture and using water wetter, but you'd probably have to keep a close eye on it. And having a water temp guage would be wise also.
we live in the hottest place on earth... lol...

and nobody has reported problems... also the car hasn't everheated on the dyno after about an hour or so of abuse... the temps don't even rise... actually the front mount blocks a/c... thats what i am really worried about
 
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Old Jan 12, 2007 | 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by miniflop
I was told in another thread that water to air didn't work. Congratulations on the number!

Bill
thank you Bill,


the intercooler does work incrediably well.... I was told it wouldn't work well either... but this was from people who have never tried it or had any experiance with it.
 
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Old Jan 12, 2007 | 02:19 PM
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228 is in a word ....PI$$A !!!
 
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Old Jan 12, 2007 | 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by isellem
thank you Bill,


the intercooler does work incrediably well.... I was told it wouldn't work well either... but this was from people who have never tried it or had any experiance with it.
Great number....... do you think that the water to air just dynos better because of the difficulty with the a/a on the dyno....... once the car is moving the a/a's do much better....... I am just curious?
 
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Old Jan 12, 2007 | 03:17 PM
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Great number....... do you think that the water to air just dynos better because of the difficulty with the a/a on the dyno....... once the car is moving the a/a's do much better....... I am just curious?
repeatability is deffinetly easier with the water to air... however the water to air will also do better while driving... AAANND you can add some ice to the res if it has one for track runs and really keep her kewl...

you should try that and dyno Mr. Sellem... ha ha!

as for peoples concerns with blocking the radiator.... My Front mount blocks more than two thirds of the rad... and is 3 inches think... and I haven't had any heat problems... accually it's hard to get her warm... well not hard.... but it's funny the temp stays very kewl.... I am surein the summer it will be diffrerent... but I doubt an issue.... cause the motor is genuely happier with the kewler air going into the motor...

I would suspect the same effect from the water to air...
 
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Old Jan 12, 2007 | 03:22 PM
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dizzle clear out your PM box... I am trying to PM you!
 
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Old Jan 12, 2007 | 03:23 PM
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dizzle clear out your PM box... I am trying to PM you!
just did...


pm away buddy
 
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Old Jan 12, 2007 | 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by SpiderX
Great number....... do you think that the water to air just dynos better because of the difficulty with the a/a on the dyno....... once the car is moving the a/a's do much better....... I am just curious?
sure a/a do better... but here the thing that hasn't really been discussed much on these forums likely because many people on here havent messed around with other cars...

when you take a turbocharged car... say a supra for expample, and you upgrade from a stock intercooler to a front mount... you get a substantial gain in power... when you upgrade your front mount ic, to an even bigger one... you will still see a differnce. As long as you have adequate air moving over your intercooler and or the front of the car, you should see benefits of adding a larger a/a. You can on just about everyother car... the other big thing about adding intercoolers is that intercoolers allow you to make power... they dont just MAKE power. when you upgrade an intercooler, you should in theory beable to up the boost and keep the same iat or lower... for us it might be worth taking a stock car with a 15 % pulley, and stock intercooler and seeing what kind of power it makes then put a intercooler on it... then put a 19% on with a stock intercooler and see what it makes... and then add a bigger intercooler to the 19% combo, and then compare the power... the iats etc... might be an interesting study with an interesting result... or it could be alot of wasted time
 
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