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Old Oct 14, 2006 | 07:24 PM
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FMIC for MCS?

I pulled this from another board. the guy took the pic from this morning's crystal cove meet in Newport Beach, CA. it looks like a FMIC. does anybody know who's car this is? any more pics?

 
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Old Oct 14, 2006 | 08:51 PM
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I believe that's the fmic sold by Randy Webb at www.webbmotorsports.com.

Pricey, but apparently quite good.
 
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Old Oct 14, 2006 | 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by F15EWeapon
I believe that's the fmic sold by Randy Webb at www.webbmotorsports.com.

Pricey, but apparently quite good.
rumor is that it also has a few fundamental flaws... i dont own one, but only second and third hand gossip says the CF tends to crack under load when the engine twists...
 
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Old Oct 14, 2006 | 09:02 PM
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Since day one they have never been able to stay in one piece do to engine movment. They also actually lose boost due to the increased volume. In summer there is a bit of a overheating problem as there is with the Gintani water to air which also blocks up the lower third of the radiator. Due to the CF horns it is EXTREMLEY noisy. Other than that its great .
 
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Old Oct 14, 2006 | 10:34 PM
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the noise is awesome, there are a couple vids around. i dont think that webb is still selling these as he is using the gintani now. the boost drop is due to the long run the air has to make down through the big intercooler then back up i think
 
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Old Oct 15, 2006 | 06:14 AM
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Why not read this thread: https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...t=80435&page=2 instead of going over all this again? The search function works on NAM quite well.
oy vey,
 
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Old Oct 15, 2006 | 08:14 AM
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In summer there is a bit of a overheating problem as there is with the Gintani water to air which also blocks up the lower third of the radiator.
Do you have a gintani system


if you do asearch on either youtube or google there's a vid of Randy's FMIC... it's cool! -- Johan
 
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Old Oct 15, 2006 | 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Johan
Do you have a gintani system


if you do asearch on either youtube or google there's a vid of Randy's FMIC... it's cool! -- Johan
I was on a run this past summer where the owner of a car equipped with a Gintani system was over heard by several members complaining that he had to drive with the heater on to keep the car from running too hot . The inlet temps may be better with that system but the engine itself is certaiinly running hotter than what is desireable.
 
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Old Oct 15, 2006 | 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by trackster
I was on a run this past summer where the owner of a car equipped with a Gintani system was over heard by several members complaining that he had to drive with the heater on to keep the car from running too hot . The inlet temps may be better with that system but the engine itself is certaiinly running hotter than what is desireable.
I think Bob(ReCoop) may have been low on coolant then. The system on the Mule has been running with no overheating problems(even with a T/C) since last december. And it was HOT in May at Sebring!

The problem with the FMIC was that the engine rock would pull the CF out of the intercooler boots. The CF cracking problem was fixed. Randy doesn't produce it anymore because he lost the CF source. It would work if a flexable boot was used at the CF to intercooler point.

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Old Oct 15, 2006 | 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by trackster
I was on a run this past summer where the owner of a car equipped with a Gintani system was over heard by several members complaining that he had to drive with the heater on to keep the car from running too hot . The inlet temps may be better with that system but the engine itself is certaiinly running hotter than what is desireable.
I know who you are talking about and his heating issues where not due to the gintani system at all. Please get your facts right before posting inaccurate info -- Johan
 
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Old Oct 15, 2006 | 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Johan
I know who you are talking about and his heating issues where not due to the gintani system at all. Please get your facts right before posting inaccurate info -- Johan
My facts are straight or the owner was making it up. It was one of the topics of conversation around the lunch table by several club members at lunch later that day.
 
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Old Oct 15, 2006 | 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by trackster
My facts are straight or the owner was making it up. It was one of the topics of conversation around the lunch table by several club members at lunch later that day.
Check out THIS thread. I'll do some cliff notes.


Originally Posted by trackster
There was a blue S there with a Gintani system. At one of the rest stops the owner was saying that he had to use his heater to keep the car at a lower enough operating temp....Later at the lunch stop we were talking about it at our table and we were wondering if the additional cooler which takes up the lower third of the front air intake area might be blocking too much of the radiator. The intake temps may be lower but apparently at the expense of the motor running hotter overall.
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The car in question was mine and I do remember that particular run. I am not convinced that any "obstruction" from the Gintani heat exchanger to air flow through the radiator was the cause of engine water temps rising to 220 or so degree F.
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Old Oct 15, 2006 | 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Johan
Check out THIS thread. I'll do some cliff notes.






Cheers
The car was certainly overheating

The additional radiator takes up over 1/3 of the available air path to the Mini radiator.

The owner of the car is sponsored by Gintani.

You do the math
 
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Old Oct 15, 2006 | 05:34 PM
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where are you going with this?
 
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Old Oct 15, 2006 | 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by TheBlackBrian
The problem with the FMIC was that the engine rock would pull the CF out of the intercooler boots. The CF cracking problem was fixed. Randy doesn't produce it anymore because he lost the CF source. It would work if a flexable boot was used at the CF to intercooler point.

-Brian
What do you mean "he stopped producing it?" Thats a Dastek FMIC...he simply sourced and re-sold it, no? Anyone looking for more info google Dastek as they are the originators of this kit and discuss any tech info with them. I spoke with someone there early last spring but can't remember his name.

Seann
 
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Old Oct 15, 2006 | 06:52 PM
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i'm no mind reader but to me it seems like he's saying it sucks a$$ . could be missing something though.
 
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Old Oct 15, 2006 | 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by saifa
What do you mean "he stopped producing it?" Thats a Dastek FMIC...he simply sourced and re-sold it, no? Anyone looking for more info google Dastek as they are the originators of this kit and discuss any tech info with them. I spoke with someone there early last spring but can't remember his name.

this is what i found...



FRONT-MOUNT INTERCOOLER
Perhaps the most impressive part of the kit, this intercooler has been custom designed using an authentic Dastek POWERCOOLER core to provide the maximum power by lowering charge temperatures.
Additionally, the bespoke carbon-fibre intercooler manifold - manufactured exclusively for Dastek by South African Airlines - protects against heat-soak from the engine bay.
Superficially, it not only looks incredible, but also creates a unique turbine-like roar as the car piles on the revs.
 

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Old Oct 15, 2006 | 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by saifa
What do you mean "he stopped producing it?" Thats a Dastek FMIC...he simply sourced and re-sold it, no? Anyone looking for more info google Dastek as they are the originators of this kit and discuss any tech info with them. I spoke with someone there early last spring but can't remember his name.

Seann
First I have heard of this. Maybe he did just re-sale it. He did talk about it being manufactured in South Africa... Good find.

-Brian
 
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Old Oct 15, 2006 | 08:19 PM
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How much $$$ are we talking about? ^^^
 
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Old Oct 16, 2006 | 04:54 AM
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Originally Posted by TheBlackBrian
First I have heard of this. Maybe he did just re-sale it. He did talk about it being manufactured in South Africa... Good find.

-Brian
I found that link a long time ago in an issue of GoMini.

Seann
 
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Old Oct 16, 2006 | 03:30 PM
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i love the look of that intercooler, i still think that i would be able to make my own, but am afraid of making something that turns out to be worse than stock
 
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Old Oct 16, 2006 | 06:10 PM
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To answer your questions the car is mine.. I have fought with this system for the past two years(or more)... We have been through three versions of the carbon fiber adapter and have solved that problem... We have stiffened the motor mounts and replaced all the boots except one.. The result is that it ran a complete day at Buttonwillow the beginning of this month and I will be back there again on 10/30 for the Wicks event... At this point it WORKS!!! and the sound is impressive(Boost gauge says 18-20 pounds at 6-7,000 RPM despite the ambient temperature).....Further questions or??? here I am......
 
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Old Oct 16, 2006 | 09:24 PM
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It will be good to see you there Phil! Are you going to try and enter the race ?

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Old Oct 16, 2006 | 10:13 PM
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