It's kind of a moot arguement as both really depend on the skill level of the mechanic. If you don't have the skills then neither one them is a DYI kit. Throw in the time and tools and patience it takes to do either of them and that probably rules out a lot of folk.

 

Bob, have you ever driven or ridden in a TC car? How do they compare (e.g. - smoothness of power delivery)?

 

For me the M62 gets my vote (for my goal of about 250whp) and will be what I purchase after my next deployment. My reasoning is more to do with heat and packaging, the underhood of a MINI is already a cramped hot place and a hot turbo and it's extra piping won't help that any. Also, in my experience, turbocharged cars seem more finicky to weather conditions that supercharged cars, probably because all the turbo cars I've helped with have had owners who were boost happy. Regardless, in the future if I wanted more power than the M62 kit could provide then I could still add the turbo.

 

it is extremely unlikely you can get to 250 wheel hp with only a 62; figure on dropping another 3k on top of that to hit over 230.

 

John is often correct on such matters... Reality check might be in order here.

 

I agree..... 250 whp with just a 62 is not going to happen..... it takes mods similar to my list..... the TC gets there with fewer other mods.....

I have not driven or ridden in a TC car..... I will quote Tuls, "there is a learning curve to driving a TC car" this was in response to my question about power delivery.....

I am not anti TC or turbo....it is just not what I want for my dd.....

 

I'm glad that finally someone has spoken out. So I'm not alone in my thinking on this subject... the 62 also won't be getting anywhere near the 250lb/ft of torque you get on 19psi of twincharger boost either. Probably more in the 210-220 range. I'll eat my hat if I'm wrong though

 

Please understand that no claims have been made.... the final tune will be done on Saturday..... and that is with the current pulley..... no one knows what the final outcome will be..... but we should know soon..... had it not been for a defective Milltek header (2nd one..the next is my third on the car)
we would know now

as far as your estimate....I thin you are probably pretty close +/-

 

The TQ delevery from a TC is instant... the TC feels just like a pulley car... just stronger....

From what I can see the M62 if it does what is hoped will be a nice alternative...

Better... I don't think this works like that... it's too different things...

there are many variables in this M62 that will only show it's head (like early TC cars went through) while testing....

time will tell... i have not followed pricing etc for this kit... but in the end it's not about which is better... it's what's better for YOU...

if I could afford to have one of every modded MCS I would... Turbo only, TC, M45 and if all goes well M62... they are all very fun... and very different...



Also Lemme clarify one thing...
this has to do with the fact that the power to weight is such that if you are not carful you can get your self in serious trouble...

 

Hi Tuls,

I hope you don't feel misquoted.... never my intention....

Bob

 

What's the baseline?
You saying 210 from a stock car?
210 from one already putting out 200?

 

no no never... I think we are all on the same page... I just wanna see these cars be fun and for those who like... fast... and people with bigger and bigger smiles on thier faces....

I really hope this thing works out.... I have had more fun learning and pushing the MINIs than any other car... I dunno why... maybe cause it's always the under dog... nothing like eating up big bad V8s than with a "smile factory" LOL

 

for very rough guesstimates, it has been "estimated" that the 62 will increase whp about 30% from whatever the baseline of the car it is put on...... this is only a guess...it may be higher or may be lower...... for all intents and purposes the "kit" is done and ready for production..... when the header is put on and the tune is done a trip to the dyno.......again, the kit is done......

 

This may tend to follow a graduated curve though, do you think?

I'm ~ 185whp. At 30% that puts me at ~240whp. Sweet!

We'll see.

 

185 -240 that would be nice........... but again, who knows ...... 62 kits on other cars have reported these kind of gains...... the Mini is a bit of a weird bird so who knows.....I am impatiently waiting for the tune on Saturday..... Sunday I am going "MOTORING" in the N GA mts..... hell, maybe to the Dragon....who wants to go? it will be six weeks but ...... I'm cool

 

Good luck mang! If I was closer I would totally be in for some motoring....

 

Very Cool....... NOW that would be fun trying to hold YOUR line...... a real education......

 

You're killing me Bob. I'll be hosting an install/mod party this weekend here in Atlanta. I have a ton of the prep stuff being installed to take proper advantage of the M62 when it becomes available. Maybe the following weekend? Otherwise I'd join you.

I can't wait to learn to drive with the huge jump in power. Only after learning in a safe environment will I take Icarus to the Dragon. Tuls advice had better be much heeded by all who get the M62. You might even want to take performance driving instruction! Be safe. Not stupid.

 

I am a fair driver and I know my limits.....I can always learn more and improve..... I have had lessons and training in everything... so I am very open to instruction

about this weekend....would you please PM me some details.... is this open

 

Doesn't the WMS Mule utilize a TC kit?

 

I believe Randy added it for his most recent race, but I'm not sure about that. Concerns regarding the TC on the track have surfaced in a few threads, in this forum and the Racing one...

 

The more I read about the m62, it really doesn't seem to make sense for its pricepoint. It just pushes me toward twincharging and just turning down the boost.

Marginally, a $500 pulley and install should give around 15-20 whp. The m62 kit makes 40 or so and costs $3500. For $3000, we're getting a marginal 20-25 whp. I'm sure the money could be used more efficiently in connection with a straight pulley elsewhere to get those 20-25whp. The argument that the m62 raises the base power level so that you can reach higher whp levels than a stock supercharger doesn't make sense either because the pricepoint is already so close to a TC kit and the TC kit makes substantially more. Even if you're conservative with the boost on the TC kit, you'd probably be making more whp than the m62.

Obviously, these arguments don't hold for people that already have tons of engine modifications that they want to keep, although it doesn't really matter since financially speaking it's a sunk cost.

Am I missing something? I'm really just not seeing why the m62 is getting so much hype. If it were around $2000, I could see it, but... $3000 for 20-25whp, even at 30 whp, that's $100/whp.

 

DOUBTFUL with a pulley alone. a pulley and ecu upgrade should get you in that.

On another note - we do not know what a M62 will deliver HP/TQ wise.

 

I have done numerous 15% pulleys... 20 whp is pretty solid... it's a function of boost... and a 15% pulley should make about 15 lbs of boost... if not... there are other problems...heh heh

last car I tuned was Kalbone... intake, exhast w/header, 15% pulley and a tune 195 WHP on the mustang dyno... I wanna get a head on there... should be impressive... for an M45 car

 

TC is the cheapest way to the big numbers.. no doubt about it..... For my own reasons after looking at it I just did not want a TC car... no slam to those that do......... I already have a bunch of mods and like the character of my car....I have been chasing a bigger SC option for about 2 years.... the 62 compliments my mods ....

getting a 45 car to 200 whp is very do-able but getting one to 250 is all but impossible (no TC)....this car power compresses like crazy as the power goes up and the 45 reaches it limit..... mods are not additive and certainly not linear and cars have to be thought out as a system...... the nice thing about the 62 is whatever you have it will make stronger and additionally give you low end and mid range that is unobtainable with the 45 and a pile of mods.....additionally, the 62 allows you a building block approach to power gains.... the TC is on and done..... I prefer the former.....