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Old Aug 24, 2006 | 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by dmh
I do realize that some of you think that top end dyno power is the end of the line but there is more to tuning than that. Drivability is the key for both the street and track. And that means closed loop as well as open loop tuning. Please keep in mind that dynos that do not allow you to hold a steady throttle are not ideal for tuning because you cannot tune in the closed loop. Either are dyno setups that cannot control IATs. They are only good for open loop, to the redline pulls.
Why is there no dynograph backing up your claims on ~200hp?

MCS Stock under special cirumstances = 163hp
MCS with MTH Tuner file under SAME special circumstances = ~200hp

This means there is a ~37hp increase in power, so if the circumstances are worse the stock MCS would fall in hp. Right?

I'm not only looking at peak numbers but if you cant backup your claim of ~200hp that is very shady to me, I'm sorry.

Yes I'm being a pain in the *** because this isn't how a reputable company would act.
 
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Old Aug 24, 2006 | 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by fj0
Why is there no dynograph backing up your claims on ~200hp?

MCS Stock under special cirumstances = 163hp
MCS with MTH Tuner file under SAME special circumstances = ~200hp

This means there is a ~37hp increase in power, so if the circumstances are worse the stock MCS would fall in hp. Right?

I'm not only looking at peak numbers but if you cant backup your claim of ~200hp that is very shady to me, I'm sorry.

Yes I'm being a pain in the *** because this isn't how a reputable company would act.
No one said that the claims could not be backed up.
You imply MTH is not a reputable company.
Due to the fact that you seem confused and/or irrational, I will end my replys to you. If you have further MTH questions please contact MTH-Germany.
 
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Old Aug 24, 2006 | 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by dmh
No one said that the claims could not be backed up.
You imply MTH is not a reputable company.
Due to the fact that you seem confused and/or irrational, I will end my replys to you. If you have further MTH questions please contact MTH-Germany.
Well then why havn't you backed your claims up with some concrete evidence, like a before/after dynograph. Sure the before/after dyno could also be faked or whatever but at least you are showing something. I don't believe you can get 30hp increase from the MTH Tuner file, but if I can then go ahead and sign me up, I'll buy it.
 
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Old Aug 24, 2006 | 06:35 AM
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If you would like to further discuss this issue please call me at 732-748-1964.
 
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Old Aug 24, 2006 | 06:42 AM
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I thought so..
 
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Old Aug 24, 2006 | 06:46 AM
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I do not know what a lot of the symbols mean or even what or whom they are directed at. But I am more than happy to help those who would like it.
 
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Old Aug 24, 2006 | 10:58 AM
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The proof...

Originally Posted by dmh
I do not know what a lot of the symbols mean or even what or whom they are directed at. But I am more than happy to help those who would like it.
is in the pudding...

 
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