Not a teaser; it’s the real deal.
Do you want a track proven aftercooler? My development work has finally been completed and preorders are now being taken.

 

Ok, I'll bite. What is the difference between your "aftercooler" and the traditional (and not so traditional) intercoolers on the market? Any pictures? Data (seems to be some limited data on your site)? Pricing?

 

An aftercooler is the proper name for what we call an intercooler.

Really cool link on superchargers and here's one on intercoolers

 

As obehave notes, what most refer to as an intercooler is actually called an aftercooler. The unit mounts in the stock location but the cooling goes front to back through a 6” core.
The stock unit is truly a fabulous piece of work and is suitable for most all applications; it’s just inadequate for the track and/or a modified engine.

Pictures: I’ll wait until they can be professionally photographed in a few weeks. But they are not for bling but rather performance; they have no shine.

Data: I keep my numbers mostly to myself because they are only applicable to the particular test vehicle I use. Results vary due to car differences such as wear and tear on an engine, engine modifications, and atmospheric conditions. I only care that a product works and not how it works. I know that there are a couple of threads ongoing that debate the merits of the DFIC and how or if it works so you can read about these style aftercoolers there.
Here is what I care about in the intake manifold: boost (is it where I want it to be -- 1 bar) and IAT (140 deg F max).
Here is what I can tell you. The final two days of testing came at Watkins Glen where the heat index was around 108 deg F. Boost was .97 bar and IATs where well below 140 deg F (188 deg F with the stock unit). My aftercooler works. Period.

Price: I have not set the final price but the aftercooler will be around $650. The scoop will be additional. I have a scoop setup that works but I am looking for someone who does fiberglass or carbon fiber work. Know anyone?

 

finally a product that has been tested without all of bench racing and seat of the pants analysis.
Now SHOW SOME PICS

 

Joel aka JS does some really nice work.

 

Comment resinded!!!!

 

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.....and I have some great beach front property in AZ for sale. LOL

Need more info ! ! !

 

I don't think so.
I don't really want to speak for him so maybe a PM.......

 

I'd say it is a teaser..... we all want pictures......

 

You suggest that we check the threads for the M7 DFIC to get a idea as to how this style of intecooler works. I also checked their site out and see that the DFIC is patented ? Assuming your IC is different enough to avoid patent infringment is the comparison still valid? As others have stated we would love to see some photos and they need not be artistic just in focus LOL . A couple of weeks is a long time to wait for a couple of snap shots .

 

I think inovation is a great thing...the DFIC has a patent so I'm sure this design will be another inovation for the good...Looking forward to this development

 

It's getting fun to have so many competent developers working on our Minis.....about 4 months ago it was a bit boring but not now

 

It's hard to patent an aftercooler or an aftercooler core for that matter; they've been around for quite some time now. An aftercooler is made up of end tanks, sometimes with baffles, cores, mounting hardware, and some plates. They are manufactured by numerous companies around the globe.
If you had a shinny top plate I guess you could patent that!
If you want to see one just come by the shop. Or call and ask questions.

 

You're killing us mod-heads by sharing your news of such a great mod, making us salivate, and then YOU DON'T SHOW PICTURES?

We're a visual bunch. Please, tease and taunt us no longer. The damage is done. Please bring us sweet relief, and post some photography of your invention.

We beg of you.

 

Tease : To arouse hope, desire, or curiosity in without affording satisfaction

1.) No pictures
2.) Limited data that is relunctantly and supratically shared
3.) No firm pricing
4.) Incomplete product
5.) Not ready for production, "pre-orders"

Sounds like a tease to me, but that is just how I see it. Good luck.

 

1) There will be. I'll never figure out why that is so important. I speculate, however, it’s got to do with my age.
2) What data do you want? The numbers from the core supplier would only confuse. All that matters is if it works. It does.
3) As I said, it will be around $650. The more preorders I have the better I can do for the NAM community.
4) The aftercooler is complete. Currently I use a modified stock scoop with a BBR scoop attachment and it works perfectly fine. Tinkering will continue, however. That is why they are priced separately.
5) The aftercoolers have been made.

No luck needed. If you want an aftercooler that works you would be wise to consider this one.

 

You are correct as far as the core is concerned, BUT as far as having a complete unit for the 2002-2006 MINI Cooper S, M7's DFIC is the only top/stock mount that flows ambient front to back on the market. So like MSFITOY said, I hope that it is innovative and different enough.
I also hope it doesn't clash with the DFIC and M7's legal team.
That's not that easy for the people that don't live in the northeast.

 

Most all parts on a car are the same from manufacturer to manufacturer, e.g., wheels, steering wheels, mufflers, and brake rotors. The idea of an intercooler and the direction of the cooling air, say front to back, is nothing new or extraordinary. It is how most all aftercoolers flow. Alta will have one available soon as well. Sometimes it's best to be first to market, sometimes...

 

I guess that I would like to see the patent claims before I conclude there is an issue on infringement. Also, I checked the M7 website, and didn't see a patent number for the DFIC patent. That doesn't mean they don't have one posted, just that I was not able to find it....

Off the top, claiming a front-to-back air flow as patentable (without some other magic sauce) is going to be a very tenuous position.

And no, Peter, I am NOT bashing M7. I am actually saving my nickels (after dropping a bunch on FSDs for my car) for a 16% s/c reduction pulley.

 

May the fattest turkey kick butt so we can have a great Thanksgiving...eh?

 

You are correct again, BUT we are talking about a intercooler/aftercooler(whatever you want to call it) for a specific make and model vehicle. I'm not trying to bash you on this, as I am very interested to see the pics. I just hope that it is different enough as to not to cause problems for you.

 

Is one brake rotor all that different from another? It's not easy to patent such a product.

 

I have seen the M7 patent for the DFIC. It's real and so is the DFIC. I love mine as well as the service I get from M7.

I have no idea what your "aftercooler" design looks like because you have yet to give any clue as to the design. But you are taking pre-orders for your mystery "aftercooler". I look forward to seeing this new design

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