Drivetrain Aftercooler...
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Originally Posted by Longboard Mini
Eric,
I'm just a happy customer who purchased a DFIC. Peter (as he should be) is very proud of his DFIC. I picked mine up from his house. While talking about it he showed me the patent papers. [Emphasis added.] I have no idea what the patent # is. I was just happy to get DFIC and couln't wait to get home and put it on.
Not knowing what the DMH "aftercooler" looks like, I can not speculate as to whether it's a copy or not. That said, I work in manufacturing and have to fight copy's all the time. When some one comes up with a great idea like the DFIC there will always be some one trying to jump the train.
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I'm just a happy customer who purchased a DFIC. Peter (as he should be) is very proud of his DFIC. I picked mine up from his house. While talking about it he showed me the patent papers. [Emphasis added.] I have no idea what the patent # is. I was just happy to get DFIC and couln't wait to get home and put it on.
Not knowing what the DMH "aftercooler" looks like, I can not speculate as to whether it's a copy or not. That said, I work in manufacturing and have to fight copy's all the time. When some one comes up with a great idea like the DFIC there will always be some one trying to jump the train.
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Originally Posted by dmh
An average patent takes about 30 months to process and is costly as well. The expected return is most likely negative. There is simply not much worthwhile to patent on an aftercooler.
I choose to develop an air-to-air aftercooler because of its simplicity and effectiveness on the track. MTH will have an air-to water aftercooler available in a few months.
I choose to develop an air-to-air aftercooler because of its simplicity and effectiveness on the track. MTH will have an air-to water aftercooler available in a few months.
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Originally Posted by OldRick
Actually, a patent costs about $350, and can be easily submitted by anyone who is willing to do the research on prior art (all online) and use the legalese that the Patent Office requires for describing claims.
You can also get a Design patent that says, in so many words, "I claim the invention of a frimble-hanger that looks like this."
Interestingly, the Patent Office is the only US Gov't agency that is required by statute to be helpful to applicants, and they are. They even provide MS-Word document templates and PDF's for all the forms.
My first patent took almost exactly a year for the Patent Office to process, and I did all research and writing myself - no big deal - about 3 days work to do the research and figure out their forms and procedures - again, all online.
As to whether there is anything unique or patentable about this particular invention, that's not clear.
You can also get a Design patent that says, in so many words, "I claim the invention of a frimble-hanger that looks like this."
Interestingly, the Patent Office is the only US Gov't agency that is required by statute to be helpful to applicants, and they are. They even provide MS-Word document templates and PDF's for all the forms.
My first patent took almost exactly a year for the Patent Office to process, and I did all research and writing myself - no big deal - about 3 days work to do the research and figure out their forms and procedures - again, all online.
As to whether there is anything unique or patentable about this particular invention, that's not clear.
Hey you guys all wrapped up in this patent stuff, your walking all over dmh's thread and going way off topic.
Can you show him a bit of respect, he's working for all us here.
Thanks
Can you show him a bit of respect, he's working for all us here.
Thanks
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Originally Posted by norm03s
Hey you guys all wrapped up in this patent stuff, your walking all over dmh's thread and going way off topic.
Can you show him a bit of respect, he's working for all us here.
Thanks
Can you show him a bit of respect, he's working for all us here.
Thanks
not for nothing, but i'm very intrigued by this. if it is well made and works as well as the DFIC, i for one would buy it especially @ $650!! i was hoping to get myself a DFIC for X-Mas but with the ceramic coating and carbon scoop (now special order only) it will be over $1,000!!
if dmh is allowed to build this thing and sell it (which i don't see why not) count me in! truth be told i'd still rather have the M7 unit but would rather not spend that much. i don't see why the I/Cs for these cars are so expensive when STI and EVO units are so much bigger and come with so much plumbing are also around $800-$1,000. i would like to SEE this unit before sending any money though.
if dmh is allowed to build this thing and sell it (which i don't see why not) count me in! truth be told i'd still rather have the M7 unit but would rather not spend that much. i don't see why the I/Cs for these cars are so expensive when STI and EVO units are so much bigger and come with so much plumbing are also around $800-$1,000. i would like to SEE this unit before sending any money though.
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I have decided to curtail my development of the aftercooler and focus my efforts elsewhere (in more useful ways to the NAM/Mini community). Stay tuned as plans will be announced shortly.
Originally Posted by dmh
I have decided to curtail my development of the aftercooler and focus my efforts elsewhere (in more useful ways to the NAM/Mini community). Stay tuned as plans will be announced shortly.
Hey guys, chill a bit here. Your like an agree mob... 
Give Don some time to at least answer if he even feels he needs to.
I truly feel that that he will become an important contributor to our Mini's performance in short time.
Give Don some time to at least answer if he even feels he needs to.
I truly feel that that he will become an important contributor to our Mini's performance in short time.
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From: Califon, NJ
Originally Posted by dmh
I have decided to curtail my development of the aftercooler and focus my efforts elsewhere (in more useful ways to the NAM/Mini community). Stay tuned as plans will be announced shortly.
Hey dmh - I noticed you're in Warren, NJ. I work down the road in Chatham. Is your shop open to the public?
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Originally Posted by camelpilot
it was just like the DFIC wasnt it? cmon post pics at least.
Don's gonna kill me for leaking this super-top secret photo of his aftercooler - but I figured.......what the hay!
As you can see, it looks absolutely nothing like the bleeding DFIC - so stop assuming that the two designs are similar.
Don has secretly told me that once he figures on a way to lighten the unit by a 150 or so pounds, shrink it by 99% and lose the wheels it should be ready for sale. I think he's anticipating a Christmas release - just don't ask Christmas of which year........
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Originally Posted by Skiploder
Don's gonna kill me for leaking this super-top secret photo of his aftercooler - but I figured.......what the hay!
As you can see, it looks absolutely nothing like the bleeding DFIC - so stop assuming that the two designs are similar.
Don has secretly told me that once he figures on a way to lighten the unit by a 150 or so pounds, shrink it by 99% and lose the wheels it should be ready for sale. I think he's anticipating a Christmas release - just don't ask Christmas of which year........
As you can see, it looks absolutely nothing like the bleeding DFIC - so stop assuming that the two designs are similar.
Don has secretly told me that once he figures on a way to lighten the unit by a 150 or so pounds, shrink it by 99% and lose the wheels it should be ready for sale. I think he's anticipating a Christmas release - just don't ask Christmas of which year........
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From: Hampton, VA
Originally Posted by Skiploder
Don's gonna kill me for leaking this super-top secret photo of his aftercooler - but I figured.......what the hay!
As you can see, it looks absolutely nothing like the bleeding DFIC - so stop assuming that the two designs are similar.
Don has secretly told me that once he figures on a way to lighten the unit by a 150 or so pounds, shrink it by 99% and lose the wheels it should be ready for sale. I think he's anticipating a Christmas release - just don't ask Christmas of which year........
As you can see, it looks absolutely nothing like the bleeding DFIC - so stop assuming that the two designs are similar.
Don has secretly told me that once he figures on a way to lighten the unit by a 150 or so pounds, shrink it by 99% and lose the wheels it should be ready for sale. I think he's anticipating a Christmas release - just don't ask Christmas of which year........
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Originally Posted by obehave
Installed by:
In addtion to the toilet plunger and proctoscope plug-ins shown above, rumor has it that it will have meringue and dough beater attachments. It will make the Air Gain System all but obsolete........plus you will be able to get in a delicious carbon fiber and a scrumptious gel coat.
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From: Metro NY
Originally Posted by mburchill36
Hey dmh - I noticed you're in Warren, NJ. I work down the road in Chatham. Is your shop open to the public?