Dr O should have received his last week so we should probably see some numbers soon.

 

I am not holding my breath due to the history surrounding dyno numbers.

 

Dr. O's numbers won't be dyno numbers. He'll do rolling measurements for comparison to his previous tests. They'll be much more real world than dyno numbers would be for the DFIC.

 

Peter, the thread had to do with a speeding ticket as well as your DFIC. I believe what has been discussed also pertains with regard to lasers/radar/etc.

 

To answer your question, jammers are based upon signals emitted from a source within your car to confuse the Radar or Laser guns. They have proven over and over not to work under any circumstances.
Detectors are simply finely adjusted antenae that alert you when radar or laser signals have reached your detector.

There are several bands on which radar is broadcasted, and yes, your supermarket uses radar to open the doors automatically when you approach. The better detectors filter out such bands (typically) and concentrate upon the more lethal bands used by Police and Highway Patrol.

No more will come from me on this subject Peter. Its all yours now.

 

I am also interested in Dyno or other numbers regarding the DFIC. I am looking for another 'power' mod and this seems to fit the bill, but for the price I wanted to make sure there is real value.

Advice is much appreciated, thanks.

 

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peter
Team m7
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Dyno numbers are great and I really like to see them myself. Unfortunately, trying to replicate the air that is rammed into the DFIC on a dyno would be impossible.

I took the leap of faith and made the purchase. I have had it on since since Friday. It started heating up again in so-cal yesterday. The biggest thing I have noticed is how well the car pulls from a dead stop. Before when it was hot out the car would feel real sluggish pulling away from a light. Not any more at all! The other thing thats great is how well the car pulls in the upper RPM's.

I don't make claims to blow smoke up peoples *****. I understand how hard it is to trust the words of others rather then seeing real data. Check around on NAM. So far, there has not been a single person yet install a DFIC and complain.

Placebo? I don't think so.

Longboat

 

I'm not sure how many times this needs to be repeated! I undestand this is a more expensive mod and good on you guys trying to do homework, BUT this is not a item that you can just test on a Dyno. It's been said so many times but people are still looking for numbers If your that interested I would want to know Lap times. That would be hard to b/c you would need a consistent car with a consistent driver. Then put on the DFIC and see what happens with lap times OR better yet, listen to the people who have bought them. Ok...like Peter said you might see a little gain on the Dyno from the IC not getting heat soaked like the stock. But unless you put a dyno in a wind tunnel there's no way to test the full potential of the DFIC. Please keep that in mind before somone else says "Where's the dyno sheet??" How about some real world Before and after temps with the stock and with DFIC?? Still won't give the full potential but a good idea of what's going on. -- Johan

 

Some of you might have listend to the Whiteroofradio.com interview,where
I told the story about one of my great customer who did dyno the DFIC last week and got a 7hp bump in power. His unit has ceramic coating that will keep the heat soak abay.... But Johan is right an intercooler does not show it's best on a dyno as airflow is the bottom line for IC performance.

peter
Team M7
562-608-8123

 

Peter, you said that this dyno was done without a fan! That means that the 7hp was due solely to the lack of pressure drop and the ceramic heat dispersant....

BTW, i'm assuming that the ceramic coating is the same as the heat dispersant? Can you tell that the DFIC has been polished if you get both the polished look and ceramic coating?

 

Yes you can, I have both. Polished and ceamic coating. The ceramic coating is on the bottom of the IC only.

So go get yours now.

 

I'm 19 years old, have no money :D (just payed my insurance), and am seriously considering getting a credit card purely so i can order the DFIC.....EVERYONE is telling me not to get a credit card, and they don't even know that it's solely so i can buy the DFIC. I'm in love with that thing.

But back on topic, if the ceramic coating is only on the bottom, what is that black coating that TonyB has all over his DFIC?

 

The black coating is a heat dispersant coating. It increases the efficiency of heat transfer to the surface, allowing the air passing over it to draw the heat away from the intake charge more quickly and more efficiently.

 

dont go into credit debt for a top mount intercooler

 

DITTO!

 

Save up the money. If you can't pay cash then it just gets far more expensive making payments. Your $900 IC ends up costing $1500 or more
Not sound thinking.
I'm pretty sure Peter will have them in available later. Maybe even DFIC II Turbulators in the tubes or something.

 

Who knows...

And i agree with the rest of you, don't get in to CC debt for an IC.
There will be plenty of IC's later down te road.

peter
Team M7
562-608-8123

 

radar jamming can work, and work well. Just ask the airforce! The basic idea is that for the radar detector to "see" you, it emits the radiation that travels, bounces off your car, and goes back to the reciever to be measured. During the time it travels, the power of the radar is dropping with the inverse square law.

What this means is that if the two systems use the same detector, the person in the car can detect the radar befor the guy with the gun. You can also broadcast a false signal or noise to confuse the guns detectors.

The ones that work ARE illeagal. You can't broadcast without a licence!

On a vuagley related subject, you can get gizmos that supress cell phone reception etc. But you can only buy them if you are a government, or work for law enforcement and show up with a lot of convincing paperwork.

Long and short? Good radar blockers can be had, but if you get cought with one it's much worse than the speeding ticket you were seeking to avoid in the first place.

Back on topic.....

There are really two benefits to look at with ICs (a third for M7 is a college fund for the kids...): Power and throttle response. Power comes from the full efficiency of the unit, thermal and pressure related. The throttle response is from the reduction in back pressure. I've seen some ICs where you get better throttle response, but no real power gains (poor thermal efficiency).

Just to keep you all thinking.......

Matt

 

If you can get your hands on RAM (radar absorbant material) in paint form, and apply it to your car, you can reduce your radar cross section. Maybe sufficiently so such that in conjunction with a radar detector, you will reduce your detectable range to enable you to brake down to the speed limit by the time the radar gun is able to get a reliable fix on you.... It (RAM-based paint) is very hard to get, but it is not completely unavailable. The only downside is that your car will look completely mono-chromatic (very close to flat black). And, to really do it right, the front windshield will need replacing with one having angles (and edging) that look like a stealth fighter....

 

for example, some motorcycles have the same radar cross section as cars.... Has to do with the reflection efficiency of headlights.... So not only do you have to use the radar absorbing paint, you have to get rid of the headlights and tail lights, and just going to angles on the windshield won't do it either... You have to design the shape such that reflections back to the detector are minimized.....

The stealth fighter is all angles because it was the first and the math is easier with planes. The B2 is stealthy and curvy... Better computers...

Matt

 

yeh maybe you guys are right....but i'm itching for one.

So how much extra does the heat dispersant coating cost? I'm assuming you can get it with the ceramic coating and polishing as well? lol, more ways to spend money....

 

There's a guy in the UK who took a car completely redid the body managed to do everything but RAM composites and RAM paint wasn't available to him when he built it (90s) looked pretty outlandish, I wonder if it helps with the speed cameras or not. I know there's lots of physics that goes into getting all of the proper angles, I have a feeling he did it just for looks, ethier way it got him a TV spot on the Dicovery Channel.