I'll be short..... amazing ..... get one ......

OK ... a little more ... when was the last time you climbed a hill in 4 gear at 2K rpm and to accelerate you depressed the pedal rather than downshifted..... (my son just called more later)

 

I'm back..... after the original pulley install this is the most dramatic engine improvement to my car..... at the Dragon it was coming in as I got the scoop in and the foam in the right place to keep the air flowing where it should ..... I reset the ECU on the way home and that was the final push.... my car has never been this strong even withe the WMS exhaust full open..... the low end is the most obvious..... your car may be different..... I have a lot of mods and this may be what was needed to wake this thing up but I am very happy.... I do thnk I need a tweek on the UNichip for the cam install but it is running very strong (as Tuls says "for a pulley car".... I don't know what it will be like for cars without a head for example but I can't help but feel it will be very strong....... M7s problem now will be to supply them. congrats to Peter, Randy and Will....

 

spder - knowing that u dont like to blow smoke.... this may might be st00pd.... but did u have the chance to drive the car with the new cam b4 the m7 dfic?.......reason i ask.... is that howmuch of the nwe power = dfic only and how much = new cam..... dumb of me i know..... but naggng question i needed to know an answer for.... much apprciated!

 

Good question..... I sold the Alta and the extreme scoop a few weeks before M7 could deliver...... The cam went in and the stock scoop was on for about 600 mi. I started to "push" the new cam at about 400 mi so I have a fairly good idea what the cam was doing..... which was a nice bump across the power band....unlike I was told.... I as told i would lose mid and low end....that did not happen...quite the opposite.... I did not get the DFIC until two days before dragon with no scoop..... we put it on and I drove to the dragon..... it was nice and better than stock but when I put the scoop in things started to happen...... when you see he scoop it it very specific..... I drove around and a big difference was felt..... I did not have all the air paths blocked off with the foam etc and then we put that in and more yet.... reset the ECU and more yet..... Empirical = observed.....I am observing a lot......

 

Peter on the left Randy....well..... on the right....yes that is my autographed copy... this unit is the only one not polished (so far) I am going to send it back for the bling.... I just noticed the woman way in the background is my GF Jeanne

 

Ah, access to the spark plugs... I love it!

 

Based on yours and Sid's comments it'd be nice to know what improvement you would see using the offset scoop on a "normal" IC.
I talked to Joel about it at the Dragon.
It's nice to see the design appears to be performing well.

It would be nice to see, if possible, what contribution the scoop makes. A delta with/without comparison.

Props to TonyB and Joel for their contributions to this product.

 

Thanks for the "props"
I have a project in the works to fit with the stock IC using a different asymmetrical scoop design, as seen on my car at the Dragon. At this time I can't give a date when I'll finish project with the diverter, but it shouldn't take long if I put it on priority work status. I would also need to have someone test the air temperature going into and coming out of the stock IC. Anyone what to volunteer?
Joel

 

How may I be of assistance? Obehave has a bim-com unit here in town, and an intercooler is far off for me as an upgrade, so I'd be pleased to find a better diverter solution in the meantime.

Ben

 

execellent.....thanks spider.... looking forward to ur future obvservations!

 

Thanks

I really don't know whose "brainchild" this was or the development path but I really like it.......several people have told me that the gains they got from other IC options were marginal at best..... (I liked my Alta at the time) but this is a different result totally

 

Just let me know if you want a mule and I'll buy the temp gauges Andy used and we can test the scoop. I've been looking for an excuse anyway

I am running a GRS IC though and not the stock unit. It'd be easy enough to put the stocker back in though.

 

obe, thanks for the props as well. I'm feeling pretty proud actually. Often times ideas don't exactly pan-out as expected, and I'm truly happy that the DFIC is proving to be a worthwhile product...

As you might have guessed I could have got one early-on, but I'll continue to wait until initial demand is satisfied first. I hope to have one by the end of the month, ideally in time for the last of Randy's Pulley Parties.

My propensity to check spark plugs will no longer entail IC removal, and I truly feel that the straight-through flow will clear the engine bay of hot air much better traditional top-mounts... The bungs are excellent additions also! I eventually plan to use the inlet one for injection, and the outlet for temp, which is essetially IAT.

 

Just wanted to make sure future owners were aware of the provenance

Can't wait to see more real world results.

For now I'll work with Joel and see how good the scoop is.
After that I'll know enough to make the decision whether to make the investment for the DFIC or not.

 

might want to combine this with Sid's post to keep the DFIC stuff together

 

agree , alta and grs benefits are marginal almost not worth the $$ (imho) - dfic is sounding really impressive, but seriously we need some comparable data.. no offense to spidy or msfitoy, but none of this is stuff comparable (altho butt dynos from them two are comparable )... is that fair to say? i hope im not being unfair askign this. anywho, im waiting for doc O to have a look at this. im very much interested to see hwo this compares with stock unit.

 

Enquiring minds want to know...

How is it you are aware of how comparable their butts are??

 

OK- I have to chime in now....

While i have no numbers since I have no access to a dyno I will agree with spiderx-
the biggest improvement was low end tourque. It is really nice to be in 3rd gear and get stuck slowing down and press the pedal to realize you are 2000rpm and actually get the car to pull!

I got the DFIC at the Dragon (I was one of the lucky few) and am thrilled.
I can't say how well the scoop helps over the stock but from the aspect of logic it must help since it directs all airflow directly to the IC.

I am extremely pleased with this new MOD. I have spent quite a bit of time focussing on suspension with the new understrut, sway bar and springs that the engine was being neglected. No longer!

chris

 

I think the low end is the most amazing aspect but I am impressed with the whole power range....great to meet you .....

 

Spidey, it's been 2 weeks...any new news?

 

Yes..... this thing is great ....buy one....

on my car, with my engine....with my mods.....(do I need more qualifiers so I don't get flamed) it...as they say.....rocks..... I love it

when you order also order from your dealer new IC rubber boots......want to know how I know this?.....I didn't think so...

seriously..... i think it is dramatic how well this thing works......

I have an AGS coming and I am switching back to a 60mm from a 62...... I think that Peter, Randy and Will are doing a great job of coming up with cool, functional stuff and supporting the Mini community......

 

60 better than 62mm? that's what i've been thinking too. was that choice made on someone's recommendation, or by trouble-shooting?

 

i still want to see some data of temps of the ic when at standstill/idle etc..wat im worried is that it wont release heat efficiently when at standstill/idle....my car is daily driver through city streets where this happens alot... so, for me, this is an area of concern.... but dfic may probably be doing this well enuf already.. i dont know...ps.. spidy can we get some more pics of ur engine bay to drool over?

 

Think about this. No IC will release heat all that well if it's standing still [neither stock nor Alta, GRS, etc.]. Standing still, all are basically heat sinks. BUT, the M7 has less resistance to flow through it, it seems, so at ANY SPEED [beside idle, where it should be basically equal as stated above!] it should provide better cooling. There's probably no loss at all in the M7 design. I drive in the city a lot, too, and I'm sure that my DFIC [when it arrives!], will be the best solution.

note: I am a big fan of research before purchases, though, so please don't interpret this as me thinking you're silly to wait! . I just figured I'd chime in...

 

thats a good point.. i guess where i was coming from is that with alta/grs.. the cells face up.. so probably better chance that the heat rises and moves out.. whereas dfic.. the heat gets trapped as the cells face forward... is this reasonable a reasonable assumption..i dunno.. im no scientist...