a couple of things..... I live in Atlanta..it is hot and traffic world class sucks and I am in it all the time......tonight it took me 45 in stop and go on I-285 to get home....93 deg......when your in the traffic you are not driving for performance..... the car does fine.....better than fine....great...my daily driving is done with a Mini and an Xterra depending on what I have to do.....

I have the only DFIC that I have seen that is not polished...... Peter could not get it to me in time for the Dragon and get it polished.......however he did sign it......MSFITOY is best looking engine bay I have seen on a MINI much nicer than mine...... mine is a mess.....MSFITOY is so well appointed and detailed.... if you don't see a picture from Sid I will try to take one tomorrow

 

It's good to know it does well in traffic. That was my main worry. I know more than I want to about Altanta traffic (and that was only for a few days ). A bunch of us at my University went up to look around Ga Tech this year. We spent about 3 hours at a crawl...in an Impala . The temp gauge had a 40 degree swing and we ended up turning the A/C off and rolling down the windows.

 

.. sounds good.. nuff said.. thanks again spider for ur feedback. u are right.. msfitoy has a nice looking engine bay.. im starting to wonder if he ever drives the things coz his engine bay is always so dam clean and dirt free

 

I'll test stuff....

Matt

 

Stay tuned Tomorrow may get interesting.

 

Greetings......

The response from all of you has been overwhelming.....
And the back order list is a mile long....Thank you.

As the orders come in a decision was made to cast the end tanks for uniformity and ease of manufacturing. I signed of on the molds today so we will see big shipments very soon.

And for our esteemed Dr.Obnxs....you will receive a test unit ASAP.

Thank you again.....

peter
Team M7
562-608-8123

 

does anyone think that the ceramic coating on the DFIC is worth getting?

BTW, Randy, how much would it cost to ship the DFIC to Melbourne, Australia?

 

we should start a new thread for this..... Peter's recomendation......Dr. O has done work on this and in this case bigger is not always better..... I am changing to the AGS V.3 at the same time so I will not be sure which is doing what ... this is no slam on the WMS HDI....I really like it very much.....but like the DFIC the AGS seems to make a lot of sense.....I will not have mine for about a month but you know I will report to you all my impressions.

back OT......

 

spider, why does ags and dfic make more sense?

 

I'll speak of my impression of the DFIC..... when the Alta was on my car the air approached from the top and flowed through to the to of the engine with really no where for the air to flow....... the DFIC the air flows straight through..... it really seems to work as intended......the engine has never run so strong..

I'll let someone with an AGS speak of that but I like the shorter path length

 

It's about less restriction and freeer flow... A straight, short, wide pathway is generally better than one that is full of twists & turns, long and narrow.

Keeping the air flow as straight and direct as possible, as opposed to channeling it in different, and even awkward directions is a good thing.

The AGS shortens the plumbing, makes is straighter, and widens the path...

The DFIC has incoming ambient air that pretty much blows straight through, which is its natural direction of flow...

The more typical top mount seeks to trap ambient air above the IC, building-up pressure (need a good seal, not easy), and then forcing it downward, hoping that buffeting will be minimal due to the tight space below...

 

sorry should made it clearer.. i was wondering why dfic + ags = more sense than say, dfic + hdi/alta whatever.. however this question has been answered in ur & tony's posts.. thanks again..

 

We haven't had a chance to test a Ceramic coated unit verses a non coated . We just got the first few coated ones in house recently . We will try to make that comparison at some point in the near future. As for shipping to Australia send a message via the contact info on the site and the shipping dept can help you out. I wouldn't think it would be too bad as it is rather compact and does not weigh much at all.

Randy

www.m7tuining.com

 

when do I get to test a unit?

 

cool, will do, thanks

 

Hey, there's a line, buddy!

 

I very much think so...the bottom plate of the DFIC is there to hold the first stack of cooling fins and is very close to the top of the hot motor. Heat this plate and you heat the fins...

Mine didn't get the ceramic coating due to time constraint but I have ordered "Reflect-a-shield" aluminized-fabric encased ceramic heat shield...should work out great

 

:impatient the price is just climbing. I have to get the ceramic coating and the polished look, and then shipping overseas....better start saving

 

I am ready for mine. Can't wait. I recently had my MINI dynoed and have all the data. I expect to get my M7 DFIC next week and will install it. I have another dyno scheduled for June 10th. If all goes well, I can post the results after installing the new DFIC.

Stay tuned!!!!

 

I have my doubts whether a dyno will really measure the true performance ...maybe with a speed compensated wind tunnel to accurately blow air simulting speed/rpm at different gear ratios

 

x2.

MINIpooper, unless you have a means to recreate the effect of air moving through the hood scoop at speed, the dyno is not going to show the true impact of the DFIC.

 

The evaluation of an IC is not a strong point of a dyno... Thus far, hoods have been open which makes for heat escape and unrealistic air flow conditions.

I'd say that a comparision with the hood closed, and a fan (large) blowing through the scoop will yield some very favorable results for the DFIC, compared to others...

GTech pulls and lap times would be desirable. The components or integral ingredients of temp and pressure obtained via data-logging would help ascertain the power...

 

The dyno testing of ICs is problematic at best....

Use a G-Tech or other type of performance meter, and make sure you have good enough gas to prevent timing retard. Without that, any benefit from more air into the cylinder may be negated by timing retard. Good numbers are a real pain in the a$$!

One other way to look at benefit is to look at air density as reported by the T-MAP sensor. Air density is basically P/T using absolute scales....

Matt

 

Thanks for all the input guys. I would imagine that the best place to feel the difference is when I put down my right foot.

When I dyno'd the Pooper we had the hood up and a large fan blowing air. I can see that unless I created "real" driving conditions, I will not be able to effectively compare, or realize any improvements during dyno.

I'll see what I get anyway and report back.

Thanks again.

 

but not the same difference that you would see (or feel) on the road. I think the difference would be dominated by the different backpressure of the IC. Don't know how the cooling would compare....

But if you're really serious about seeing how these mods change your performance, get a performance meter. Getting real WHP is tough, but looking for relative difference is pretty easy....

Matt