Drivetrain Front Mount Stock Intercooler
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From: a canyon, south Bay Area
Originally Posted by PARTSMAN109
Getting back to what Tony is saying about the IC being in front of the condenser and radiator, the Webb setup being as big as it is, will considerably affect these components. Maybe that's why it's the "Ultimate Track Front Mount Intercooler". I really don't think that a smaller IC, stock or aftermarket, in front will reduce the effectiveness of the condenser or the radiator. The only way to know is to try it.
. You were probbing for input, thus my commentary...There are almost always trade-offs in such endeavors, and a cost/benefit analysis often helps to discern utimately if the output will be worthwhile. The concern about increased volume and corresponding pressure-loss are real of course. And while the degree of impact is debatable, putting more and more components forward the radiator will not allow it to work as well as it would otherwise. All considerations in the whole grand scheme of things...
As many know, Webb is now running with the Gintani manifold/IC set-up, and not that FMIC. While ground-breaking, its relatively high price-point, and some growing pains have made other options just more viable...
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From: Greensboro, NC
Originally Posted by PARTSMAN109
From what I was told, the "product" you are referring to is not a front mount. I even have a pic of it on someone's MINI. I'm sure that unit will be better than the stock IC.
I wanted your input on a front mount setup using the stock IC or a aftermarket one.
I wanted your input on a front mount setup using the stock IC or a aftermarket one.
From M7's website:
FIY...the relief design on top of this product is curteousy of your truely
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Given some of the aforementioned obstacles and drawbacks, and the obvious benefits of the forward-facing unit (FMIC), trying to replicate those in a location that addresses the negatives seems like an ideal approach to getting improved cooling of the charged air...
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From: Westerly, RI
Originally Posted by TonyB
trying to replicate those in a location that addresses the negatives seems like an ideal approach to getting improved cooling of the charged air...
JS, what are you referring to. The m7 unit?
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Originally Posted by PARTSMAN109
The only thing Tony, is that there are not many locations on our awesome little car that will address the negatives and provide a substantial drop in charge air temp.
Spoke with Peter of M7, and he confirmed that he will have one to see in Vegas starting today. Not 100% complete, but close enough to finally show...
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Dr.Obnxs' thread about timing retard taking away from the mods really got my wheels going. There is a way to get the charge air temp cold enough so the ECU won't pull the timing back as much. I just have to figure it out.
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That was indeed a good thread, and Matt is great at getting to the bottom of things. He helped me analyze the IC/scoop testing I performed last Summer, and his knowledge was truly needed to help me clarify my data points. Ironically, it was that testing and much contemplating before, during and after that led to this new design for the MINI...
If Matt got over a cold, he should be in Vegas also! I had to balk this time...
If Matt got over a cold, he should be in Vegas also! I had to balk this time...
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I do know that it is there, and people can and have seen it, so I hope someone gets something up soon. We've all worked very hard on this, and we're all very excited to get it out there to you all!
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From: Westerly, RI
Originally Posted by Will @ M7 Tuning
I do know that it is there, and people can and have seen it, so I hope someone gets something up soon. We've all worked very hard on this, and we're all very excited to get it out there to you all!
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Will...aren't you suppose to send me some math data?
Originally Posted by Will @ M7 Tuning
Any minute now someone should be reporting in from Vegas...
...unless they are all already too drunk to use the interweb. heh
Sid, hit me with an email!
...unless they are all already too drunk to use the interweb. heh
Sid, hit me with an email!
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From: Richmond, VA
Originally Posted by MSFITOY
Will...aren't you suppose to send me some math data?
Tell me what you need. will@m7tuning.com
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From: Silver Spring, MD
Originally Posted by Cooper_Si
This kind of setup already exists over here. Cant remember the name of the company, but it used carbon fibre pipes that come off the intercooler horns, over the front of the engine, then connects to an intercooler in the front of the bumper. Strange to look at and im sure i had a rolling road video of it on my HD. Will have another look and see if i can find.
EDIT: Found the video, right click the link, and save as....
MINI225 video 5.55mb
EDIT: Found the video, right click the link, and save as....
MINI225 video 5.55mb
HOLY CRAP!!!!!! I JUST WATCHED THIS VID @ WORK WITH MY EARPHONES IN AND I THINK MY EARS ARE BLEEDING
sorry didn't relize I was yelling
THAT THING IS F'N AWESOME!!!!!
sorry i was yelling again wasn't i?
shhhh. i can't stop watching it.
Originally Posted by golden_child
HOLY CRAP!!!!!! I JUST WATCHED THIS VID @ WORK WITH MY EARPHONES IN AND I THINK MY EARS ARE BLEEDING
sorry didn't relize I was yelling
THAT THING IS F'N AWESOME!!!!!
sorry i was yelling again wasn't i?
shhhh. i can't stop watching it.
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