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Old Feb 17, 2006 | 11:27 PM
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edit: The JCW redline/top speed, according to miniusa, is 140 mph. Sorry about that. Anyways, like I said, about 138 in 5th. It can't pull in 6th...
 
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Old Feb 18, 2006 | 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by ingsoc
There's no way he can do that. With the stock 6800 rpm redline, you can only go about 135 in 5th. In 6th, with that limiter, you can go 150 mph at about 6k rpm, but that requires pulling in 6th UP from an rpm of about 5400 rpm. With just a 15, you can't pull to 150, especially not with stock software and redline.

I call BS on that part. I've been 150+ in 5th [8k+ rpm baby!], and yet I can't hold more than 145 if I shift to 6th. I have a Cosworth Stage 2 car [head and everything].

So, either you've got new software and a raised redline or that's just in there for exaggeration's sake. Sorry, but either way it's BS.

BS... would you like a freaking picture? whats your deal? Do you have a problem with me or something? I would be more than happy to show you a picture if you would like! what would you like me to do to prove to you that i have done 150mph? Remember its the gauge saying 150mph... they are not the most accurate gauges... so its an indicated 150... and by the way what do i have to gain by lieing about 150mph? NOTHING... STOP BEING SO PESIMISTIC... plus i have an 05... i don't know what year your car is but i have shorter gearing... plus the 150mph runs were made with 15's not s-lites

Speaking of your cosworth stage 2 car... HOW IS THAT GOING? Did you ever make it to the dyno and make 200hp?
 
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Old Feb 18, 2006 | 11:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Soul Coughing
thats great that you found someone who felt the same way as you, and were upfront about its history. did you do the 100 runs on the stock clutch? Did you put in another clutch when you changed out the transmission? and can you hit 150 with the limter removed with a 15? Thats awesome if you can!
still the factory clutch... it has had a little bit of a rattle with clutch pedal relased ever since day one of ownership... dealer said it would be replaced under warranty... i was going to wait until it started to slip and get it replaced... but the clutch hasnt slipped yet... it did get a new tranny but it still had the original clutch. So the clutch has been going very very strong...
 
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Old Feb 18, 2006 | 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ingsoc
So, he has JCW software? Even at 7300 rpm, my '04 only goes about 138 rpm. This is, btw, right at the JCW max speed: 135. Either way, that software will NOT allow you to hit 150. Just ask any JCW owner.

So, no software? software? If software, it can't be JCW for the above simple reason.
okay genious...


their is a wonderful thing called 6th gear!!!!!!!!! and like i said it was an indicated 150!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i did not have someone outside with a radar gun clocking me... typically bmw's have a 6-7% speedo error... they read tooooooooo high... do the math with your abicus and get back to me...

the JCW software will allow speeds of 140mph... now wether or not its a true 140mph or an indicated... i would have to say it would be true speed... because i have hit over 140mph probably 3-5 times a week... again i have nothing to gain...

ohh yeah... thanks for avoiding my question...
 
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Old Feb 18, 2006 | 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ingsoc
edit: The JCW redline, according to miniusa, is 140 mph. Sorry about that. Anyways, like I said, about 138 in 5th. It can't pull in 6th...
maybe your M7 stage 2 powered cosworth cooper S can't pull in 6th but my 15% pulley car can... wow.. how much did you spend? I would probably ask for some money back if i were you...

also... what you would you like me to do to prove this to you????
 
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Old Feb 18, 2006 | 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by ingsoc
edit: The JCW redline, according to miniusa, is 140 mph. Sorry about that. Anyways, like I said, about 138 in 5th. It can't pull in 6th...
Not only have I gone above 150 but I rode coach in Isellem's MINI when he did. weeeeeeee
 
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Old Feb 18, 2006 | 03:35 PM
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Not only have I gone above 150 but I rode coach in Isellem's MINI when he did. weeeeeeee
I remember that... I was sitting 1st class.
 
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Old Feb 18, 2006 | 04:27 PM
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Not only have I gone above 150 but I rode coach in Isellem's MINI when he did. weeeeeeee
[ralph wiggum] That's unpossible. [/ralph wiggum]
 
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Old Feb 18, 2006 | 05:47 PM
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Pure Comedy!!!
 
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Old Feb 18, 2006 | 06:43 PM
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Am I the only one here to find this to be a rather disturbing thread?
 
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Old Feb 18, 2006 | 07:42 PM
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Disturbing as in breaking the motor mount, or the general attitude of the thread? If it is the latter I agree with you!
 
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Old Feb 18, 2006 | 07:49 PM
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It was said that you'd been above 150 mph many times. 15" wheels and speedo error may be involved, yes, but if so that doesn't mean 150 mph. A 15 inch wheel, with the same profile tire, is more than 12% smaller, circumferentially-speaking. 150 on speedo on 15" wheels is 132 mph or so, assuming the speedo is accurate.

I don't have anything against you, but a lot of things just seemed 'not right.' Hope that 'splains my interest.
 
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Old Feb 18, 2006 | 07:54 PM
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The other thing that should be said is that I can't pull to more than 146 mph w/ 17 inch S Lites and 215/45 tires [larger than the stock runflat and much larger than stock 15" tires], in 6th. I can pull to 146 in 6th or past 150 [calculated to be about 153] in 5th at 8k rpm. That's realistically quite a bit faster than a corrected 132 on 15's. To answer your question, my car's software is not fully tuned yet. My vacation was too short and there are far more pressing things for me to see to now. Please, leave your charges there- I have some serious things going on in my family right now which demand much more attention. Anyways, this is not about my car and not about me.

Yet, to cover mine own rear, I will add that there was no illegal dangerous-ness involved in my observation. I have my ways...but that DOES mean that by the time I'm at 150 it's time to SLOW DOWN because there won't be tarmac for long!

I apologize for any off-topic-ness. I will refrain from anything further.
 
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Old Feb 19, 2006 | 02:09 AM
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his name is isellem does that mean anything to anyone. I bet he knows.... and i have been there as well with him and solo... I have evotech so its different but the same. it you know what i mean. anyway whats the new goal.... DOOOSH im thinking salt flats 190... you know what im talkin about.
 
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Old Feb 19, 2006 | 12:38 PM
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well again like i said... i was going an indicated 150mph... i didn't have someone with a stalker radar gun checking my pace...

my car pulls hard in 6th... don't know whats up with yours... mine has an 05 tranny perhaps thats were some variance can be...

Im quite tired of this topic... but i hope you all understand that i don't like to be called a liar... Thats how fast my car said it was going... end of story... No big deal... this post was originally in regards to breaking a motormount... the motor mount didn't break due to the 150mph or whatever your little calculater says... its broke... just thought some of the people who are making serious power or people who race their MINI's would find the information insightful and they might beable to plan ahead or maybe not be completly suprised if the their motormount shatters...

anyways... love MINI's!
E-hugs to everyone
 
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Old Feb 19, 2006 | 01:04 PM
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I don't any people who race ANY car that drive like a jackass. So I'm not sure your issue here is that relivent to people who race their Minis. There must be 100s of Minis being raced and I personally have not heard of the mount being an issue.

Ooopps, sorry, I meant road race, not drag.
 
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Old Feb 19, 2006 | 01:18 PM
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Let's try to keep the personal attacks to a minimum.

This is something I am not surprised seeing with the 'new gen' upper motor mount. Where the old style had a upper mount that only carried the downward weight of the engine and had a separate strut that handled the fore-and-aft torquing motion of the engine, the later mount carries both the weight and the torque, and does so through one bolt. I think it would be better to retrofit the old style mount to cars that are putting out considerably more power than stock.
 
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Old Feb 19, 2006 | 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by onasled
I don't any people who race ANY car that drive like a jackass. So I'm not sure your issue here is that relivent to people who race their Minis. There must be 100s of Minis being raced and I personally have not heard of the mount being an issue.

Ooopps, sorry, I meant road race, not drag.
THANK YOU FOR CALLING ME A JACKASS!

Clearly you are misunderstanding this post. This vehicle is raced quite abit... Vehicles that are raced do see more abuse and more wear and tear than a typical car. This vehicle is equipped with the newer style motor mount. This is the first time a MINI has broken a motor mount with this style mount. i have heard of other people breaking an engine mounts but not this style. I put this post out their as a feeler to see if anyone else has broken the mount and also to raise awareness regarding the parts failure.

Anybody who truly races the vehicle will understand this post... and to them i hope i helped out... to people who don't understand... maybe i shed some light on the situation...

and you are right... their are 100's of minis out their being road raced without a failure... do you know how many of them have the old style mount vs. how many have the new? So far our spec race cars have not had this as a problem but they also have the old style mount.
 
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Old Feb 19, 2006 | 02:13 PM
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.... well, I guess it may sound like I called you a jackass, but I was not intending to call you out as one. I was intending the way you have been driving the car as being driven like a jackass. Maybe it was too harsh, but when I hear... "i have probably powershifted 4th gear about 2-3 thousand times... " and ... "...I have been trying to break this thing (without jumping it) for about a year", and ..."..i have been powershifting this thing for the last 15 thousand miles... its made over 100 drag strip passes... about 150 150mph ..", and ..."..because i have hit over 140mph probably 3-5 times a week..", the word "jackass" comes to mind.

Sorry if you though I was calling you a jackass.

Oh, and I did understand the reason for this thread, at least for the first post. You wanted everyone to know that you broke your car. The fact that this should be a concern for people who actually 'race' cars is silly. All cars break motor mounts when getting the ***** kicked out of them the way this one has. If someone is any kind of 'racer' then they would know this and would know that all parts like this get checked at least once before any race.
Not picking on you here. Do what you want, but if you post it hear then be prepaired for some to think that something might be wrong with your handling of this car, and this thread.
 
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Old Feb 19, 2006 | 02:21 PM
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have you ever heard of the old saying... if you aren't breaking things... you aren't fast enough or you aren't making enough power! ha ha ha!


Again this is a heads up... and let me ask you this why is it a jackass thing to do to drive like that?
 
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Old Feb 19, 2006 | 02:39 PM
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Look, I’m not going to get into this garbage with you. You’ve manipulated this thread from the fact that … it must have been a bad casting, to I drive 150mph all the time, to maybe it’s really only 140, to I drive 140 all the time, to I was only alerting racers.. , and now it will be that you do it only on an abandon airstrips. You’re on constant damage control here on this thread.


If I feel that this kind of driving practice is jackass ‘like’, then that’s just my opinion. I’m sure I am not persuading anyone else here to agree with me.

Maybe it's a generation gap thing or the 'drag' race thinking that I just don't get, i.e. "if you aren't breaking things... you aren't fast enough or you aren't making enough power! ...."
 
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Old Feb 19, 2006 | 02:46 PM
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1. it could be a bad casting...
2. I said i have been 150mph alot... ingsoc argued whether it was truly 150 or 140 or 132... i could give a rats behind... the speedo says 150... thats what i said and listed... i could careless...
3. I am not the only person on the face of the planet who drives this way in their mini.

The GAP in our generations is ignorance and assumptions... NOTE i have not assumed anything... i have just suplied facts... (except for the stalker radar gun speed reading) now as far as the drag racing thing is concerned... thats your call you dont have to like it... thats fine no big deal... but people can still powershift while road racing...
 
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Old Feb 19, 2006 | 02:48 PM
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i doubt many could get their car above 120 on most race tracks; certainly not the drags; unlikely to find enough straightaway on a road course, so where are these guys doing it?
and given that Ingsoc's parents banned him from the 1/4 mile drags, you would think he would get the message about their safety concern??
 
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Old Feb 19, 2006 | 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by isellem
......The GAP in our generations is ignorance ......
I agree 100% ....
 
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Old Feb 19, 2006 | 03:18 PM
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I agree 100% ....
ha ha ha! i had a feeling you were going to say that!

its all in good fun
 
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