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yeh the mini's gearing isnt set for 0-60 runs. A good autobahn car i would think. We should be comparing our mcs's with wrx's on the track with twisties, when you can keep your mcs in second gear and rip through the turns.

Lets stop talking about acceleration contests, its depressing
Also i believe quaife now has a gearing kit for the mini for better off the line acceleration, not something i am interested in but some of you might. motor on

 

Come on dude...Minis arent even close to that fast...they werent intended to be either,any driver in a WRX is gonna smoke a Mini period

 

who are u responding to me?

when it comes to sharp turns i am not sure if there is a better handling car on this earth. that is coming from magazines that i have read. better slalom than a porsche ctr or something, another mag said when comparing the M3 to the MCS the M3 felt sluggish around tight bends after driving in MCS. Though the M3 is faster and handles better at faster speeds.

 

WOW! I can not believe I found this tread.. I have xxxed TWO WRX one modded and one not on the highway <bypass> and passed them both. At the light the guy asked me what mods I have and I told him I was amazed this just happened because I have a 280 lb passenger and a stock 163 hp. Superchargers rock on the highway! He then proceeded to tell me that he would eat me up 0-60 and then proceeded to prove it well LOL.. Nice guy and was not a jerk about it at all. I just created smoke and he created tiny red lights.. Meanwhile I thought it was just awesome I could pass one on the highway both full out.. They must have it ALL down low.

 

I have driven a WRX a few times. If both are stock, the MCS "feels" like it has more power,and it has more usable power. The WRX still has turbo lag and can't jump as quick as the MCS especially when it is in the lower powerband. The big advantage the WRX has is that it is 4WD, so the 0-60 numbers look much better than normal, because you can rev it to 6,000 rpm, drop the clutch and have minimal tire slippage. A stock WRX puts about 175hp to the wheels, while a stock MCS will put about 147hp to the wheels. The weight of a WRX is about 3112 lbs, and a MCS is about 2678 lbs. The ratio for the WRX is 17.8 lbs/hp and the ratio for the MCS is 18.2 lbs/hp. Add the difference with the turbo lag and peakier powerband the Mini is a really good contender for this car performance wise. The AWD really sucks a lot of power from the engine and not as much gets to the ground.


So I am not so suprised that you beat him.

 

But just so there is no confusion.. again I took them on the highway not 0-whatever. He pulled my drawers down and left a hand print from the light ..

 

The S with its 6-speed Getrag is really geared towards highway (passing) acceleration. I do have a bunch of mods and I can spank MOST cars on the highway. A modded MCS pulls at an unbelievable rate at 70, 80 even 90 or 100mph! I'd love shorter gears so we could go 0-60 faster but then 70-90 wouldn't be lightning fast any more.

 

Interesting. A co-worker made a similar observation last weekend after he drove my chipped and pulley'd 03 MCS on some back roads here in the Bay Area. (He owns an 04' WRX that he AutoX's).

He flat out told me that the MCS was alot easier to drive on the twisties (due as much to the gearing as the handling). Once he got up to speed, he stated that the MINI pulled alot harder that his Scooby.

I passed on driving the WRX so I really can't comment.....................

 

I feel this "pull" that we have, which by the way gets increasingly more so as we up the pulleys, will be lost in the turbocharged engine. I have never driven a turbocharged engine (except for maybe a 911turbo, and my friends twin turbo 300ZX) which has as much grunt as the MCS. Even such pocket rockets as the SRT-4. No doubt the SRT-4 is fast, but you have to get up into the rpm range and deal with lag. It doesn't just pull like the MCS does at 70 mph at 4,000 rpm. You can just feel the lags and hesitations in the turbos, and they really are not as much fun. Nothing in my mind except for larger displacements does to an engine what a supercharger does. This, in my mind, is one of the best engines out there for the size and price. I can't think of any other engine that compares in this price range (obviously an SL55 AMG is a different story).

I have my '05 on order and am so glad that I am getting one of the last supercharged ones. I do not want an '06 turbo.

 

Yeah...What dgszweda1 said!

 

Quote:

I have my '05 on order and am so glad that I am getting one of the last supercharged ones. I do not want an '06 turbo

Amen

 

right there with you guys!

 

Don't want to spoil your party but, Charles

 

Uh oh Pocket Rocket - just for that little transgression we will give you 50 lashes with a wet noodle!

Report back here at 0600 hours tomorrow............and you supply the noodle!

 

Charleswil,

I don't think anyone is talking about street racing or breaking the speed limits. Besides NAM has a video on sale in the NAM store which shows excessive speed limits. The video shows both dangerous actions and ones that are definitely illegal if a state trooper was present. Therefore I think the NAM moderators should give a little leeway and not be so heavy handed on these types of topics. I do not condone drag racing on the street, but I would be hard pressed to find anyone here who hasn't broken the speed limit when checking out there car, especially on curvey roads. In fact there was a whole bunch of them at the Dragon Run.

 

OOPS

Skiploder: "Uh oh Pocket Rocket - just for that little transgression we will give you 50 lashes with a wet noodle!

Report back here at 0600 hours tomorrow............and you supply the noodle!"

Edited my original post so that we can all continue in harmony

 

Just read through some of the post. One thing we need to keep in mind is a win is a win even if it is by an inch. ( please watch F&F HEHEHEHE)

You can have all the power in the world and if you cant drive/handle it, it is usless and you will get beat by a better driver with less power, it happens all the time.

Now car stock for stock the WRX should take a MCS fairly easy.

Just my .02

 

I remember seeing a post awhile back where a guy had made a little program that virtually drags cars... and if you put in an S (though it might have been a works S) and a WRX.. the S will catch the wrx and win by a very small margin in the end.. I'm not sure the distance that they raced, but the WRX does top out, and for good reason, it's a rally car... and they only need to go very fast in short spurts.. because they're just going to have to brake real hard in the ext turn anyway... the cooper is still geared a street car not even a street race car, it's meant to get up to those interstate/autobahn speeds and still have plenty of passing power and maneuvering power. I'd love to have a mini that was faster off the line, and maybe if they decide to do WRC version of the car they will. Anyway, maybe someone can find that program and post it in here, I really thought it was interesting to see the mini break lose at the end

 

Justin,

Are you talking straight line or a track? Straight line I will give it to the WRX, around a track I am not so sure. Even with equal drivers. A stock WRX is not all that. I am not sure if you have driven one, but really after driving both, I think it would still close, but I think the MCS will edge it out. Of course this is just my opinion.

A while ago Peter raced his Mini against a fairly modified WRX STi. This was with a Mini without a pulley around Willow springs and Peter lost by only .2 seconds. Granted Peter had some suspension mods and a really nice brake kit, but again, the STi had a modified suspension, brake kit and some engine mods, allowing it to get 300hp to the wheels. Peter was maybe a better driver, I don't know, I haven't seen Peter won. But I would guess Peter didn't make up that much of a difference between a 145hp car and a 300hp track beast. I think a stock WRX is a significantly weaker car.

Maybe I am way off. But the hp to weight ratio is about the same between the two cars, and the Mini usually rates higher in the slalom in car magazines. It really gets good 0-60 numbers, but I would be interested in the number of 40-70mph and I would bet that the Mini and WRX would be very close and the Mini would most likely be higher.

 

Im talking straight line since that was the impression i got from the original poster.

I use to eat WRX with my turbo civic. It was fun watching there mouth drop when i punched it in second and i walked them like 4 cars on the street. Anyways i think there a very fast car when moded and a new turbo is put on.

 

Just yesterday I sold my modded WRX...took 26 hours to take the car
apart and put it back to stock. I am pretty damn sore.

The REX in stock form is dog slow. I could not believe how slow
the car spooled up and drove. Suspension felt like a pickup truck.


But when it was modded, I ran 0-60mph 4.7sec a few times on G-tech...
so it was never that slow. It was about 28-30F ambient temp, 55%RH.

Usually it came in around 5.3sec in 40F weather. and about 6sec in
80F weather. I never timed myself on the streets doing 1/4 mile, but
I think it would've come in around sub13.5sec at about 99-100mph.

 

I test drove 2 of them (WRX) last week and they have a lot more puch down low but run out pretty quick. The enging does not modulate nearly as smooth as my modded MCS and frankly it IMO is no where near as responsive (read fun) to drive. All in all I was pretty disappointed. I went to look at the EVO (WR?) and was blown away. That is a much better looking car in person. I hope to drive on this week

 

I put on my 19% last weekend while my wife was out on business travel, even though she forbade installation of MINI mods until the project car in the garage is reassembled. What could I do? The pulley's been sitting on the dining room table, tempting me for almost 3 weeks. The emissions recall notice was the final straw. No more worries about whether I'll be able to get my ECU reflashed under warranty to try one more time to fix the yo-yo (I'm on v.37...)

She's gonna know right away. Even before she gets in the car. The dumb grin is sure to betray me.

Fortified by the drive to the airport, I expect I'll be able to face whatever penalty she metes out in stride.

 

Great post, indygomini!

Clover