Drivetrain 19% pulley + GIAC + 380cc injectors update
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19% pulley + GIAC + 380cc injectors HOT WEATHER UPDATE
Ok. Here is the update people have been asking for. Today hit 100 degrees (again). And yet once again, my MINI performed like a champ. He now has 74k+ miles on him. 63k of them with some type of aftermarket supercharger pulley. When I upgraded to the GIAC ecu and injectors, Eric (Helix) had told me I’ll notice the greatest difference in the summer. The reason for this is b/c the GIAC and larger injectors will allow my MCS to run richer at the top end which will keep temps down AND increase power! I had the mod done in the cooler weather and the difference was very noticeable and well worth the money. The latest “mandatory” software update made my MINI run like crap basically and the GIAC cleared up almost all the crappiness.
Many others have warned that a 19% would suffer tremendously in the the hot weather due to the extra heat produced. Some even suggested that a 19% in the heat would produce less power than a 15% pulley. This was quite a silly comment at best but many people took it to heart and reiterated these nonsense warnings.
Well let me tell you, Helix was right. Today in the 100 degree, high humidity heat here in Jersey, with the auto A/C on full blast (LO) all day, my MINI performed like a true champ. I couldn’t believe how fast and responsive it was – especially with the A/C blasting all day. The only RPM range that was sluggish was the 1k RPM range. In cooler weather, the little 1.6L with a 19% pulley, GIAC and injectors performs very admirably in the 1k RPM range. But everywhere else my MINI kicked butt. Real butt.
I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again. I originally upgraded to a 19% from a 15% b/c the 15% although was pleasing most of the year, in the summer under high temps and with the A/C, the car still was lacking big time in the power department. The upgrade to a 19% helped tremendously – in all weather conditions – summer included. But it really wasn’t until this summer and on a car that now has 74k miles on it that I can 100% declare my mods perfect. The way it ran today you would think it was 65 degrees out and the A/C was off. I thought the GIAC and injectors mod was excellent when I got it. But let me tell you, before you run out and spend $1k-$2k on an intercooler, you should try this combo if you have the 19% or are thinking about the 19%. The GIAC must keep the temps down otherwise I should have seen a serious power loss. Yet my MINI’s acceleration really surprised me today and I had a bunch of fantastic rides today.
Many others have warned that a 19% would suffer tremendously in the the hot weather due to the extra heat produced. Some even suggested that a 19% in the heat would produce less power than a 15% pulley. This was quite a silly comment at best but many people took it to heart and reiterated these nonsense warnings.
Well let me tell you, Helix was right. Today in the 100 degree, high humidity heat here in Jersey, with the auto A/C on full blast (LO) all day, my MINI performed like a true champ. I couldn’t believe how fast and responsive it was – especially with the A/C blasting all day. The only RPM range that was sluggish was the 1k RPM range. In cooler weather, the little 1.6L with a 19% pulley, GIAC and injectors performs very admirably in the 1k RPM range. But everywhere else my MINI kicked butt. Real butt.
I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again. I originally upgraded to a 19% from a 15% b/c the 15% although was pleasing most of the year, in the summer under high temps and with the A/C, the car still was lacking big time in the power department. The upgrade to a 19% helped tremendously – in all weather conditions – summer included. But it really wasn’t until this summer and on a car that now has 74k miles on it that I can 100% declare my mods perfect. The way it ran today you would think it was 65 degrees out and the A/C was off. I thought the GIAC and injectors mod was excellent when I got it. But let me tell you, before you run out and spend $1k-$2k on an intercooler, you should try this combo if you have the 19% or are thinking about the 19%. The GIAC must keep the temps down otherwise I should have seen a serious power loss. Yet my MINI’s acceleration really surprised me today and I had a bunch of fantastic rides today.
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GIAC 19% 380cc Injectors
Same here fellas, I actually drove back to NY from Helix 2 days ago with temp reading of 98-103 the whole 3 hr ride back. With the OBX header installed by Eric, the car feels like a whole new beast and welcome any G35s or 350Z on and off the line..hwy short runs. BRING IT. ;=) j/k. Overall, the MCS is so much more fun to drive now despite the heat and humidity. Now comtemplating to get an aftermarket intercooler..!?>?!??!?!!??!
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Originally Posted by jlm
I'm wondering if you can get Legionaire's disease from that funk coming out of the AC ducts? whew...something ain't right up that chute!
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thats funny...
here in arizona were road temps sky rocket well over 150 degrees... STOCK cooper S's while dial back timing to the point at which it is noticible... and then as you sit in trafic and begin to accellerate away.... ping ping ping... comes right along with acceleration...
when its 115 degrees... a stock cooper S that is running absolutley pig rich will ping... forcing the computer to compensate (yet it can't compensate enough to stop the pinging)
another huge factor though is our fuel... we have dogshit for fuel here in the summer imagine a 60/40 mis of 91 octance and water but seriously... i understand your point... and i am glad that your car isnt pinging... but your story is true for your area of the country... not the rest... a car with a 19% pulley here in arizona would probably go mad due to the heat...
heck i have a 15% pulley JCW injectors and software and my car still pings due to the **** gas we have here... i hate to be soo vulgar... but you guys should really see how crappy the gas gets...
here in arizona were road temps sky rocket well over 150 degrees... STOCK cooper S's while dial back timing to the point at which it is noticible... and then as you sit in trafic and begin to accellerate away.... ping ping ping... comes right along with acceleration...
when its 115 degrees... a stock cooper S that is running absolutley pig rich will ping... forcing the computer to compensate (yet it can't compensate enough to stop the pinging)
another huge factor though is our fuel... we have dogshit for fuel here in the summer imagine a 60/40 mis of 91 octance and water but seriously... i understand your point... and i am glad that your car isnt pinging... but your story is true for your area of the country... not the rest... a car with a 19% pulley here in arizona would probably go mad due to the heat...
heck i have a 15% pulley JCW injectors and software and my car still pings due to the **** gas we have here... i hate to be soo vulgar... but you guys should really see how crappy the gas gets...
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Originally Posted by Pat_Cooper
The GIAC flash is truly the way to go. It is a TRUE flash. Engineered to make the Mini run absolutely amazing. The biggest thing i noticed was the car sitting at idle.
This MINI ECU stuff drives me nuts. I recently purchased a brand new 2005 Mustang GT convertible. This is Ford's FIRST Mustang with electronic throttle. Let me tell you - the car is incredibly smooth. It feels more like an extremely well-tuned exotic than a Ford. And this is with Mustang's first and ONLY software version...and it's been out for almost a year now. No cold start problems, rough idle, stalling, bogging, yo-yo ing...nothing. Just INCREDIBLY smooth operation. And ONE ECU version. Not one every month. And this is a Ford, not a MINI/BMW. And BMW has been doing this for years.
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I agree with Greatgro. I had my 19%/JCW Injectors/GIAC upgrade done earlier this year and last night the car felt like a monster! It does not seem to suffer to any noticable degree in the heat.
I would like to know about these headers mentioned above.. Any TRUE gains in doing that??
Craig
I would like to know about these headers mentioned above.. Any TRUE gains in doing that??
Craig
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I'm booked in with Helix for a pulley in a few weeks. I know I don't have the flow for the GIAC or injectors just now, but is going with the 19% for now on the stock ecu and stock injectors a bad idea? I told Eric I'd be in for a 15% but since we spoke I keep reading all the threads and searching, etc, and it would seem that a 19% would be ok as long as I keep an eye on the belt? This question is beaten to death, but how about a word from the guys running the 19?
I have also solicited the advice of some of the NAM big dogs (thanks onasled for helpful discussion!), but I'm still torn as to what pulley to install.
EDIT: Or, I could direct my attention 1 inch lower on my screen to the "accomodate a 19%" thread....
I have also solicited the advice of some of the NAM big dogs (thanks onasled for helpful discussion!), but I'm still torn as to what pulley to install.
EDIT: Or, I could direct my attention 1 inch lower on my screen to the "accomodate a 19%" thread....
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Originally Posted by chaincoopers
I have also solicited the advice of some of the NAM big dogs (thanks onasled for helpful discussion!), but I'm still torn as to what pulley to install.
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Originally Posted by greatgro
Onasled is a NAM big dog???