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Old Jun 28, 2005 | 07:26 PM
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Engine Mod -Head plus Cam -Which Head is THE best for the $

I am leaning towards an advanced engine mod (EveryDay driver, tracks 5+ times a year). I have the Usual Upgrades already: Pulley, Exhaust, ECU, Intake, Suspension, wheels and tires ... and contemplating:

1. Shrick CAM - The best
2. Head -port, polished, etc...?
3. Larger Injectors
4. Larger Throttle Body
5. Lightweight Crank Pulley ?
6. Oil Catch Can -m7 vs ALTA


BUT, there are numerous choices for the HEAD ... The options are confusing and COSTLY !!!

What would be BEST BET for the COST Involved ?

Thanks for the replies ...
 
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Old Jun 29, 2005 | 04:10 AM
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Old Jun 29, 2005 | 04:10 AM
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Originally Posted by red rage
I am leaning towards an advanced engine mod (EveryDay driver, tracks 5+ times a year). I have the Usual Upgrades already: Pulley, Exhaust, ECU, Intake, Suspension, wheels and tires ... and contemplating:

1. the Shrick CAM - The best
2. Head -port, polished, etc...
3. Larger Injectors
4. Larger Throttle Body


BUT, there are numerous choices for the HEAD ... The options are confusing and COSTLY

What would be BEST BET for the COST Involved ?

Thanks for the replies ...and NO flames needed
We've got Several Diffrent levels of Cylinder head available for any range of cost. Starting at 1000 for Dyno proven 13HP and 11ft lbs Torque. We have cars that have made 20HP using our higher leve heads even with out the Schrick Cam. The Cam will held these cars make even more power.

Take a look at our flow charts and Dyno Graphs.

http://www.piloracing.com/shop/Mini-...inder-Head.php

Send me an e-mail for more info.
 
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Old Jun 29, 2005 | 07:04 AM
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Dan,

I sent you a message, I am wondering the differences: A daily driver, track monster only on occasion, so reliability and longevity and cost factor into the decision

Webb Head includes the Schrick Cam I believe, your head I would have to add that cost to it.

GAINS in HP between the different heads? I see the graphs are not HP changes, except the first Head one

I don't know the long term effects of the Lightened pieces or more radical head work either

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Old Jun 29, 2005 | 07:47 AM
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red rage - have you done a search in NAM on this topic?

Here are two of the more extensive threads addressing head work.

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...highlight=head

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...highlight=head
 
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Old Jun 29, 2005 | 08:39 AM
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Thanks for those ...

I searched, but didn't use "High Performance" so I missed those threads
 
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Old Jun 29, 2005 | 01:25 PM
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Here is a quote from one of our customers about our head work with out a CAM.

your headwork with DPR is the reason for the more than +20 WHP difference
That is with the Race 2 version. That is more then the other companies even claim with a Cam shaft upgrade. Add a CAM to that, and you would be up near 25HP. We have the most advanced heads on the market, and have the most development time into it. With a full range of complimenting products, including Retainers, Shims, Valves, High Performance Seals, etc. We can offer the most complete package that is on the market today, Hands Down.


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Dan,

I sent you a message, I am wondering the differences: A daily driver, track monster only on occasion, so reliability and longevity and cost factor into the decision

Webb Head includes the Schrick Cam I believe, your head I would have to add that cost to it.

GAINS in HP between the different heads? I see the graphs are not HP changes, except the first Head one

I don't know the long term effects of the Lightened pieces or more radical head work either

Thanks for the reply
 
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Old Jun 29, 2005 | 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by MiniPilo
........That is with the Race 2 version. That is more then the other companies even claim with a Cam shaft upgrade. Add a CAM to that, and you would be up near 25HP. We have the most advanced heads on the market, and have the most development time into it. With a full range of complimenting products, including Retainers, Shims, Valves, High Performance Seals, etc. We can offer the most complete package that is on the market today, Hands Down.
Good pitch Dan. You just about have me sold on the Race 2. How about you quote a price for the Race 2 with the appropriate cam installed in it.

When the time comes, which will be this winter, I am planning on stripping down my car and will make it race ready for BMWCCA Modified. I do believe that a head and cam are legal.

Will be talking with you soon.

Greg V
 
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Old Jun 29, 2005 | 05:35 PM
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Good pitch Dan. You just about have me sold on the Race 2. How about you quote a price for the Race 2 with the appropriate cam installed in it.

When the time comes, which will be this winter, I am planning on stripping down my car and will make it race ready for BMWCCA Modified. I do believe that a head and cam are legal.

Will be talking with you soon.

Greg V
Greg,

Great to have you aboard. Look forward to talking to you.

I have updated the site to allow for full pricing of cylinder heads. Take a look here.

http://www.piloracing.com/shop/prodd...YLHEAD1&cat=25

Shoot me an e-mail if you have any questions.
 
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Old Jun 29, 2005 | 05:59 PM
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Dan,

Great Job on the web site choices ...

I am still NOT SURE of the value (Cost-benefit) of Street vs. Race 1 or 2

I think the upgrades plus Schrick Cam would be great

I will get with my installer SOON ...If I order and pay ... How quick could you get one out to Detroit-tuned ?
 
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Old Jun 29, 2005 | 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by red rage
Dan,

Great Job on the web site choices ...

I am still NOT SURE of the value (Cost-benefit) of Street vs. Race 1 or 2

I think the upgrades plus Schrick Cam would be great

I will get with my installer SOON ...If I order and pay ... How quick could you get one out to Detroit-tuned ?
Well, Each level give approximatly a 25% HP Gain over the previous.

Power Estimates:
Street 1 makes 13 HP
Race 1 makes 16 HP
Race 2 makes 20 HP

The Schrick ads about 4-5 HP to each level.

Right now all of our cores are in use, we should have them back within 2 weeks.
 
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