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Old Jun 16, 2005 | 12:34 PM
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My AGS Order

I had my AGS on order, and was scared off by talk of supercharger air leaks. I'm going to wait until the dust settles and all of you AGS owners have a chance to review the product and all the bugs are worked out.

Has this air leak problem been mitigated? What is the "fix"?

Will the "fix" work when the car is ridden over rough terrain or will the bumping cause an air leak?

edit: webstrands has decided to order the AGS; to reflect such, and at his request, I edited the thread title to reflect that. ~Clover~
 

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Old Jun 16, 2005 | 12:50 PM
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The fix is fixed:smile: Mines been fixed since early May. The roads around here in Michigan are a nighmare. When they fill pot holes, they turn them into speed bumps...on the freeway Even with my Konis/HSport, there has been no leak
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I had my AGS on order, and was scared off by talk of supercharger air leaks. I'm going to wait until the dust settles and all of you AGS owners have a chance to review the product and all the bugs are worked out.

Has this air leak problem been mitigated? What is the "fix"?

Will the "fix" work when the car is ridden over rough terrain or will the bumping cause an air leak?
 
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Old Jun 16, 2005 | 01:01 PM
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The fix is fixed:smile: Mines been fixed since early May. The roads around here in Michigan are a nighmare. When they fill pot holes, they turn them into speed bumps...on the freeway Even with my Konis/HSport, there has been no leak
If yours have was fixed in May, then why am I reading that M7 is feverishly working on the issue as late as 06-12-2005, 06:54 PM?

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...28&postcount=4

I'm not am M7 basher. In fact, I love their products and I like their innovative approach to the after-market industry. I just don't want to do anything to my BRAND NEW MINI, that will cause problems.
 
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Old Jun 16, 2005 | 01:08 PM
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I believe Peter's fix is to adjust the angle of the mating surfaces to better suit a greater variance in Mini's SC. My fix was simple...RTV the gasket into the AGS so it cannot come loose. Let it cure 24 hours and then install. Why won't anyone listen to me?
 
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Old Jun 16, 2005 | 01:09 PM
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I had to return my car back to stock for that reason. Installed it and everything worked, but the leak was too much trouble for my day to day drives. But I had to ship everything back. Good Luck.
 
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Old Jun 16, 2005 | 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by MSFITOY
I believe Peter's fix is to adjust the angle of the mating surfaces to better suit a greater variance in Mini's SC. My fix was simple...RTV the gasket into the AGS so it cannot come loose. Let it cure 24 hours and then install. Why won't anyone listen to me?
Good to know there's a straightforward fix. I'm hoping to order my AGS and some other equipment in the near future (need to get permission from the better half, you know).

Probably no one will listen to you because you haven't posted notarized "before RTV" and "after RTV" dyno charts...

/gary
 
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Old Jun 16, 2005 | 01:47 PM
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all the tubes shipping now fit fine. there was a problem with the tube butting up against a bolt sticking out of the block and a simple alteration in the mold has fixed it. my new tube has come in and its good to go, i would recommend reordering
 
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Old Jun 16, 2005 | 02:22 PM
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...i would recommend reordering
Thanks. I'll do just that
 
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Old Jun 16, 2005 | 05:39 PM
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MSFITOY,

Just one question, what does RTV stand for? Is it some sort of sealant? So I apply the RTV, then put on the supercharger gasket, then let dry for 24 hours, then install the tube? Is that the corrrect procedure? Thanks!!

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Old Jun 16, 2005 | 06:02 PM
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Room Temperature Vulcanizing, an early acronym for silicone adhesive, of which there are many varieties.
 
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Old Jun 16, 2005 | 06:03 PM
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I don't know what it stands for but yes it is a sealant. Here's a website with a brief summary for RTV applications.

http://www.tessco.com/products/displ...&subgroupId=75
 
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Old Jun 16, 2005 | 06:05 PM
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oops, double post.



yes, it is a sealant. this website has a brief summary of its application.
http://www.tessco.com/products/displ...&subgroupId=75
 
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Old Jun 16, 2005 | 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by haulinS
I don't know what it stands for but yes it is a sealant. Here's a website with a brief summary for RTV applications.

http://www.tessco.com/products/displ...&subgroupId=75
RTV stands for "Room Temperature Vulcanizing" - it refers to the fact that the material, though it is synthetic, has the characteristics of vulcanized natural rubber once it has cured. Most high temp RTVs require 24 hours to cure.

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Old Jun 16, 2005 | 08:30 PM
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Is there still a concern about getting O2-sensor safe RTV? I remember that it was a big deal a while back as the early RTV tended to foul oxygen sensors.

Or was that only if used on the exhaust side (my brain is getting too old to hold all this trivia any more)
 
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Old Jun 17, 2005 | 02:51 AM
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use neutral cure, not the acetyl cure (smels like vinegar)
 
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Old Jun 17, 2005 | 09:18 AM
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RTV is definately a must for this install
 
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Old Jun 17, 2005 | 09:33 AM
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Re-Ordered
 
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Old Jun 17, 2005 | 09:34 AM
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Would you like to alter the thread title? It is no longer accurate. Just let me know.

Clover
 
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Old Jun 17, 2005 | 12:15 PM
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It is apparantly clear that the AGS supports itself, the throttle body and the filter entirely from the gasket & adhesive and tiny screw at the sc intake end, maybe with the help of the bypass rubber tube.
 
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Old Jun 17, 2005 | 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by jlm
It is apparantly clear that the AGS supports itself, the throttle body and the filter entirely from the gasket & adhesive and tiny screw at the sc intake end, maybe with the help of the bypass rubber tube.
the bypass rubber tube definately makes or breaks the seal, i had to work on the position of mine to get it right
 
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Old Jun 17, 2005 | 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by webstrands
If yours have was fixed in May, then why am I reading that M7 is feverishly working on the issue as late as 06-12-2005, 06:54 PM?

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...28&postcount=4

I'm not am M7 basher. In fact, I love their products and I like their innovative approach to the after-market industry. I just don't want to do anything to my BRAND NEW MINI, that will cause problems.
Looks like Peter had the issue resolved the very next day 06-13-2005, 08:22 PM. Good job Peter

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...6&postcount=17
 
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Old Jun 17, 2005 | 02:36 PM
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hey guys & gals, looks like I'm passing on the AGS for now.

I overlooked the way the system mounts and I prefer that tube to be held solid between the SC and TB. Plus the eye candy factor of my custom air box and Alta tube was just going to be too much to part with.

on another note... Brutus is getting pullied this weekend!!!

James
 
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Old Jun 17, 2005 | 07:24 PM
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Thanks for the info. So what type of RTV/silicone is good for this application? Will just the regular hi-temp silicone work?

John
 
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Old Jun 18, 2005 | 04:27 AM
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The small screw does not carry any load. The bypass tube and the new robust clamps do all the work. And it does provide stiff support. It's difficult to make the TB move once secured to the bypass tube.

I used high temp black RTV:smile:

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It is apparantly clear that the AGS supports itself, the throttle body and the filter entirely from the gasket & adhesive and tiny screw at the sc intake end, maybe with the help of the bypass rubber tube.
 
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Old Jun 19, 2005 | 04:14 AM
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I guess the color of the RTV doesn't matter. I have some good white Threebond RTV, but I think it smells like vinegar? Will it damage my O2 sensor?
 
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