Drivetrain (Cooper S) MINI Cooper S (R53) intakes, exhausts, pulleys, headers, throttle bodies, and any other modifications to the Cooper S drivetrain.

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Old Sep 6, 2005 | 11:47 AM
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Thanks. This would be great. I assume that you will either publish that you have stickers and we can request one or you have a list of customers that you will use to send a sticker to. Either way would work. Since you say you should have them by next year this will also work since the smog check isn't due for a few years. :smile:

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CARB is something we have been looking into. This is something we are working to have ready by next year. It is important for us to get this done for all you CA guys!
 
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Old Sep 6, 2005 | 07:08 PM
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Do you think the 15% pulley will ever be CARB legal? That will be the hardest part to replace to pass smog.

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Old Sep 6, 2005 | 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by SRTech
Do you think the 15% pulley will ever be CARB legal? That will be the hardest part to replace to pass smog.

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How would they ever know that you have one????
 
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Old Sep 6, 2005 | 09:49 PM
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How would they ever know that you have one????
They are very easy to spot. It's a well-known upgrade that I expect they will look for if they know anything at all. If they care? All it takes it to get "flagged" and you could be in a world-of-hurt. It will be interesting to see what happens when MINIs are old enough to get tested regularly.

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Old Sep 6, 2005 | 09:58 PM
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Are you seriously worried about the smog check tech noticing your pulley? C'mon...if you find one that is smart enough to notice, and then dumb enough to care you've got about a hundred more smog test stations within a 10-20 mile radius where you would not encounter any problems.
 
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Old Sep 6, 2005 | 10:02 PM
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Every test is sent automatically to the DMV, so if they fail you, the DMV finds out.

Also, the techs do a very thorough engine bay inspection. They took 30 or so minutes on my last vehicle, and all I had was a CARB legal intake.
 
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Old Sep 6, 2005 | 10:12 PM
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The DMV is notified if you fail a smog test, I have never heard of anyone being turned in by the smog check station people for using non-CARB approved equipment.

The JCW kit uses a pulley, hi-flow intake, etc...and those cars don't have a problem passing smog. ALTA going for the CARB approval will satiate a few potential customers, but it will also make their stuff more expensive, as that approval ain't free.
 
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Old Sep 6, 2005 | 10:16 PM
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You could convert your car to electric and if it didn't have a CARB sticker it would fail. What comes out the tailpipe is secondary to any changes you may have made to the engine, better or worse. I'm keeping my stock parts for the future "fun" of emissions testing. CARB certified parts mean less parts to take off and put back on.

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Old Sep 6, 2005 | 10:58 PM
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CA is the largest car market in the US.

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ALTA going for the CARB approval will satiate a few potential customers
That's not a small market at all... That's why tons of car companies have a CA design center!

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Old Sep 6, 2005 | 11:03 PM
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That's not a small market at all... That's why tons of car companies have a CA design center!

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...and that's why we pay more in California.
 
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Old Sep 6, 2005 | 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by SRTech
You could convert your car to electric and if it didn't have a CARB sticker it would fail. What comes out the tailpipe is secondary to any changes you may have made to the engine, better or worse. I'm keeping my stock parts for the future "fun" of emissions testing. CARB certified parts mean less parts to take off and put back on.

Steve
Well...you should keep your stock parts for various reasons. I had no problem passing smog with my ALTA pulley and ALTA intake and no CARB sticker. That's all I'm saying.
 
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Old Sep 7, 2005 | 10:18 AM
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This is one of the reasons this state now sucks:

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What comes out the tailpipe is secondary to any changes you may have made to the engine.
Exactaly:

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CARB certified parts mean less parts to take off and put back on.
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The JCW kit uses a pulley, hi-flow intake, etc...and those cars don't have a problem passing smog. ALTA going for the CARB approval will satiate a few potential customers, but it will also make their stuff more expensive, as that approval ain't free.
It would be worth the extra cost IMO not to have to mess with a part so hard to change out. ALTA if your stuff would be CARB legal your sales at least in California would sky rocket.
 
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Old Sep 7, 2005 | 11:02 AM
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I'd love to see data...

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...and that's why we pay more in California.
That shows how much unit costs go up when you consider the enabled sales to those that won't buy a non-CARB product. What you say makes sense, but if it's just a 50 cent premium per $100 of costs, that close enough to zero for me. I have never seen any numbers one way or the other.

I too am frustrated that it's not a "build what you want, and if it's clean, it's OK" world, because that would allow us the most freedoms. But it's not. The idea that we shouldn't just trash the emissions systems is a good one (that's why I have a cat on my header), and given the abuses of the market and individuals, I don't see it as bad that mods need to be certified that they don't make matters worse.

Thats not to say I endorse HOW this is implemented....

Anyway, I'd love to see more CARB legal mods.

Matt
 
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Old Sep 7, 2005 | 11:15 AM
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What are the costs involved in obtaining a carb e.o. #? Someone once told me it was 10k..but I have no real numbers. Now, given that the R50 and the R53 are in the last year of production, does it make sense for a manufacturer to speed the $$ for a carb e.o. # at this juncture? I am just tossing the question out there. Personally, I would love to have a pulley with a e.o. #.
 
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Old Sep 7, 2005 | 12:48 PM
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SCMCS,
Absolutely, we will supply people with a CARB sticker after we get the certification for it. People will have to call us, but everyone that is an owner of the ALTA CAI will get the sticker.

SRTech,
Good question. It surely could, unless the slightly higher drag at idle and cruise causes some unwanted emissions. The added boost isn't a problem do to the fact they don't rev it above a certain RPM. (so i have heard)

Krassanova,
When the CARB stuff happens, we won't up the price. This would be in good faith that our CARB sticker will attrach many more customers and pay for itself.

SRTech,
You have point about keeping your stock parts. That is a good way to ge through DMV, but it won't help when the cop pulls you over in CA.

Cost are enough that not everyone will do it, but they are worth it for us. Its just a matter of time before it happens.
 
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Old Sep 7, 2005 | 02:25 PM
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I believe that the first manufacturer to offer a CARB legal pulley will have the California market for pulleys. I would pay more to not have to worry about emissions testing.

Steve
 
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Old Sep 7, 2005 | 02:30 PM
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No doubt. I was leaning towards the M7 16% but if Alta had a CARB sticker for their 15% it would be a done deal.

Alta please get this done ASAP. :smile: :smile: :smile:
 
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Old Sep 9, 2005 | 08:19 PM
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just a quick question whats the average ship time for an ALTA CAI? 4-6days? for UPS ground residential...

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Old Sep 12, 2005 | 09:44 AM
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As long as we have them instock, and even if you are in Maine, it won't take more than 6 days. But in TN you should get it in 5 days.
 
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Old Sep 12, 2005 | 09:52 AM
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Just checking...any update on the progress of the CAI hose for the MCSa?
 
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Old Sep 12, 2005 | 10:12 AM
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We were really shooting to have them done about now, but it looks like closer to SEMA time, which is the end of OCT.
 
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Old Sep 12, 2005 | 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ALTA2
As long as we have them instock, and even if you are in Maine, it won't take more than 6 days. But in TN you should get it in 5 days.
Well its been 9 days since I ordered it on the 9/3/05 granted thats a saturday and monday was a holiday.... and then again a saturday and sunday so currently its been 5 full business days. Not saying there is a problem just seems slow compared to same shipping as other companies I ordered from the same day... Hopefully tomorrow.

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Old Sep 13, 2005 | 03:31 PM
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Please call us if you don't get it. But it is 5 business days away. Remember, we are in Oregon, and if you are used to getting stuff in a couple of days, they must be coming from somewhere closer. But call us and we can get a tracking number and find out where they are.
 
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Old Sep 13, 2005 | 03:39 PM
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got the info... UPS is being slow...

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Old Sep 14, 2005 | 10:41 PM
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Ok... couple questions... about ALTA CAI!

1) Why aren't vent hose clamps included?
2) Why aren't their 3 large hose clamps (TB, heatshield, "Ram air pipe")
3) You need better instructions...
4) a parts list might be helpful to know what I do need and don't have...

a quite simple install went from 30mins to... about 2.5 hrs... because of missing parts and lack of directions without internet....

-Josh
 
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