Where can I get one of these?

 

Randy Webb sells one: http://www.webbmotorsports.com/performance.php

 

No. Look closer that doesnt use the factory intake horns.

 

Thats the BMP/Promini Cooper S/t It doesnt use the factory intercooler horns because the factory supercharger was removed and replaced with a turbo charger.

 

If it is turbo charged why is the air filter arrangement the same as the supercharged setup?

I believe this is the nuzzo motorsports car since that was what web site I found it on.

 

Yes, that is one of Nuzzo's Cars. Here are some better shots:

 

you can kiss your A/C goodbye and not sure if your radiator needs to be relocated from what that setup looks like.

-shenmue2

 

This FMIC isn't new. ...And if it weren't NUZZO's full race set up there's no reason you'd need to lose the AC.

The unit Webb sells takes up all of the same space in the front. ...It works with the OE rad & AC. However it is a complete unit, including modified bumper.


The only obvious visible differences in the NUZZO FMIC are the elbows on the sides instead of the ram-horn configuration of the SAP/Webb unit. Unless I'm mistaken, nothing of vital significance is located in the spaces where NUZZO has the elbows.

 

right after the nuzzo cars started showing the fmics, i contacted them and the shop that fabricated the fmics. for the nuzzo race cars, the ac radiator was removed, so they didn't think it was a viable design for the street "mass market."

(i'll post the shop name later when i get home.)

but if several of you guys want to think about a group buy to prompt these guys to build a few more, i might be in.

(we'll need to consider how large a flow path/ic we'll want: mimic the race nuzzos or smaller for the street / less volume?)

 

What kinda $ are we talking? An FMIC is the only engine performance upgrade I'd add on to what I've already done - at this time.

 

Hmmmm... so would I need the aero kit? Woudl I need a pulley to compensate for the lost compression? Could I reroute the intake to the old intercooler scoop to create a ram-air type set-up?

 

With the Webb Motorsports kit seen above it was reported that there was only 1psi drop. ...And look at that funky routing! ...Meanwhile the temperature drop was huge (don't remember the numbers) and heat soak was a thing of the past!

The issue isn't stricktly boost pressure. As your OEM supercharger spins faster some of the boost created is due to heat/expansion. ...Having a high boost number due to HOT boost doesn't mean much.

If boost is lower by a PSI or so, but is cool & dense... now we're making power!

 

Before you get excited about Randy's unit, you better call him on an update of where the redesign efforts are at the moment....

 

It's not Randy's "unit" (I assume you mean FMIC) that I am "excited about" - its what a FMIC like NUZZO's could offer. I'm aware of some of the shortcommings of the SAP/Webb FMIC.

 

I would think that there is enough room for a small intercooler without removing the ac radiator. If not then i wonder how much trouble it would be to locate in the place of the webb motorsport fmic.

Hope to hear from you soon about who the people are who made these units.

 

The problem is, you're looking at a race car that most certainly didn't have the AC components in place.

The challenge with the "webb" location is getting the air to the intercooler. I'm almost certain that you don't have the clearance to get a round tube through - especially with side tanks like the one pictured. You could be a little more flexible if you went with something like a starion-style cooler



this would likely cause greater pressure loss though. Additionally, the longer the passage, the greater effect on throttle response I would expect.

 

BTW, I'd bet my car that this "unit" was fabricated in the race shop by a couple guys standing around with a box of mandrel bends, a welder and a desire to put $2000 towards something more productive than an intercooler. I wouldn't expect to find it on a shelf for sale somewhere.

 

i can't find my old emails, but i think these new jersey guys designed and built the nuzzo fmics:

http://www.bodymotion.com/

:smile: it's 8pm in la la land; maybe you east coast guys can get on this first thing tomorrow morning.

here's another view. it looks like a lot of volume:
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...cat=500&page=1

edit: and we need to get one to andy for measurements or pay for his road trip to nuzzo to measure them on the race cars!

 

He is probably lurking in the background, waiting for someone to try and sell one... and then WHAM! Crush their attempts by asking for numbers.

 

all kidding aside, before buying we should probably run some guesstimated numbers on the pressure loss from the extra volume (it as, after all, a gas...) and compare it to the increased density from some guesstimated "improved" ic efficiency...........perhaps for for different pulley dias.

don't we have some engineering students lurking who could do this for homework?

 

Agreed. Not much point going different or bigger without meaningful improvement.

Who's to say that size increase needs to be as large as either Webb or Nuzzo? - Location is key. I merely want significant efficiency improvements beyond any TMIC. Is that SO much to ask?

 

Exactly. If we were to have the design to be only slightly larger or even equal volume as the factory one, just the change to a FMIC should be a fairly large improvement.

If we were to custom size the intercooler, what pulley size would you all like to have it designed around? I am going to be 15% shortly but will hopefully be changing the crank pulley soon... So I would be in favor of a 19% setup.

 

You'd want an FMIC that could handle 15% pulley thru 19%, and even Twincharged applications - just to be prudent.

FWIW I don't think we'd be thinking in terms of which % pulley reduction, but rather Air Intake Temperature. ...Data-logs of AIT's under full load, WOT. ...Which state of tune is creating the most heat? What temps do we need/want to cool? ...This would be the real question.

Separate, but equally important is the core & plumbing volume & effect(s) on boost (pressure) & associated throttle response.

 

The real test of an IC is to measure the efficiency by knowing the inlet temp, the outlet temp, and the ambient temp. It's simple enough to do with a pair of $25 temp gauges and the ambient temp gauge displayed in the MINI's trip computer.