Drivetrain M7 Hood Scoop... deltas
It definitely looks promising, hence my questions about how it affects actual, measured, intercooler efficiency. If you check my post earlier in this thread, I explain how to get that value, using equipment costing less than an IR thermometer or a Davis Carchip generic OBD-II logger.
Originally Posted by M7
After these very encouraging numbers I posted last night, I figured I would
Do some data logging runs and see what the actuall intake temp numbers would be, and here it is....
Out side Temp 72ºF
Mileage driven 4.5 miles per run
Driving characteristics, hard on throttle with some stops (traffic lights).
Horsepower 197whp
Octane 91 (California Mobil)
Cold air intake M7 Air Gain System
Data logger CarChip E/X set at 5sec sampling rate
Driver awesome
Stock Scoop: Lowest to Highest 102.4ºF - 151.5ºF
M7 Extreme Scoop Lowest to highest 86.3ºF - 128.2ºF
Peter
Team M7
562-608-8123
Do some data logging runs and see what the actuall intake temp numbers would be, and here it is....
Out side Temp 72ºF
Mileage driven 4.5 miles per run
Driving characteristics, hard on throttle with some stops (traffic lights).
Horsepower 197whp
Octane 91 (California Mobil)
Cold air intake M7 Air Gain System
Data logger CarChip E/X set at 5sec sampling rate
Driver awesome
Stock Scoop: Lowest to Highest 102.4ºF - 151.5ºF
M7 Extreme Scoop Lowest to highest 86.3ºF - 128.2ºF
Peter
Team M7
562-608-8123
Originally Posted by KiLO
That profile pic is definitey hot... I wish I had an "S." Nah, I love my Cooper, but dang, that scoop is awesome.
Alot of people will be doing that 25 years from now.
why the form really... im wondering just because it seems like the top bulge that bulges up looks a bit.. tacky... to me the venturi scoop from mania seems more no-nonsense, the bulge on the m7's seems too out of place and just plain sticks out for no reason!
i cant argue with the 50% efficiency though... id love to hear someone elses' result before plunging though...
i cant argue with the 50% efficiency though... id love to hear someone elses' result before plunging though...
Originally Posted by Rossii
J, I can see where you are spending that extra $$$. Stop by and let me see it once installed. 
MSFITOY,
I'm sure Rick would chime in here, but I am on early so I will set the record straight. Rick was nice enough to take and post those pictures of my car taken at a local car show we have every week here in SoCal.
I'm very happy with the M7 products on my car, the performance change is dramatic.
I would be happy to discuss any of the details you might be interested in if you wish.
Thanks for appreciating my ride.:smile: :smile:
Bill
I'm sure Rick would chime in here, but I am on early so I will set the record straight. Rick was nice enough to take and post those pictures of my car taken at a local car show we have every week here in SoCal.
I'm very happy with the M7 products on my car, the performance change is dramatic.
I would be happy to discuss any of the details you might be interested in if you wish.
Thanks for appreciating my ride.:smile: :smile:
Bill
Ooooo....then I'm jealous of you
I'm hoping the AGS will get here in time for the Dragon...24 days and counting:smile: . BTW...are you running the Cosworth head already
Peter's probably a little miffed that I installed Webb's head (I thought the Cosworth was a while away). Very nice Mini with all the cool parts I don't have
I'm hoping the AGS will get here in time for the Dragon...24 days and counting:smile: . BTW...are you running the Cosworth head already
Peter's probably a little miffed that I installed Webb's head (I thought the Cosworth was a while away). Very nice Mini with all the cool parts I don't have
Originally Posted by CooperSS
MSFITOY,
I'm sure Rick would chime in here, but I am on early so I will set the record straight. Rick was nice enough to take and post those pictures of my car taken at a local car show we have every week here in SoCal.
I'm very happy with the M7 products on my car, the performance change is dramatic.
I would be happy to discuss any of the details you might be interested in if you wish.
Thanks for appreciating my ride.:smile: :smile:
Bill
I'm sure Rick would chime in here, but I am on early so I will set the record straight. Rick was nice enough to take and post those pictures of my car taken at a local car show we have every week here in SoCal.
I'm very happy with the M7 products on my car, the performance change is dramatic.
I would be happy to discuss any of the details you might be interested in if you wish.
Thanks for appreciating my ride.:smile: :smile:
Bill
Scoop
Originally Posted by kyriian
why the form really... im wondering just because it seems like the top bulge that bulges up looks a bit.. tacky... to me the venturi scoop from mania seems more no-nonsense, the bulge on the m7's seems too out of place and just plain sticks out for no reason!
i cant argue with the 50% efficiency though... id love to hear someone elses' result before plunging though...
i cant argue with the 50% efficiency though... id love to hear someone elses' result before plunging though...
Originally Posted by kyriian
why the form really... im wondering just because it seems like the top bulge that bulges up looks a bit.. tacky... to me the venturi scoop from mania seems more no-nonsense, the bulge on the m7's seems too out of place and just plain sticks out for no reason!
i cant argue with the 50% efficiency though... id love to hear someone elses' result before plunging though...
i cant argue with the 50% efficiency though... id love to hear someone elses' result before plunging though...
The mania one I've heard makes noise at speed and I'd think that comes from the way it's shaped.
More Testing....
After the previous testing we got some more incredibly promising numbers
to chew on.
These are a comparison between our test mule and a JCW 200hp kit.
The JCW car has basically no additional upgrades, that includes the
stock intercooler and hood scoop.
Our test mule has a lot of upgrades, and if we can believe JCW and BMW
we should be up 25 additional HP at the crank with the mule.
This test also included a new alcohol injection system that will be available
in a couple of weeks, this system is MINI specific so easy to install
that anyone can accomplish the task. The alcohol will not only cool down
the intake charge but it will also raise the octane level by 10 points.
Think about it.....you will have 100-104 octane fuel anytime any place
at rock bottom prices
This will show that the Injection system + M7 Scoop will out perform
any intercooler system on the market no matter the price for less then
$ 600 and you will always have racegas a pedal away
M7 Intake Data
M7 Throttle input Data
M7 Speed Data
M7 Ignition advance
These are the JCW maps......
JCW Intake temp data
JCW throttle input data
JCW Speed data

JCW ignition advance

And for more info, feel free to call us, pick our brain, get some answers
and enjoy a chat with us.....
peter
Team M7
562-608-8123
to chew on.
These are a comparison between our test mule and a JCW 200hp kit.
The JCW car has basically no additional upgrades, that includes the
stock intercooler and hood scoop.
Our test mule has a lot of upgrades, and if we can believe JCW and BMW
we should be up 25 additional HP at the crank with the mule.
This test also included a new alcohol injection system that will be available
in a couple of weeks, this system is MINI specific so easy to install
that anyone can accomplish the task. The alcohol will not only cool down
the intake charge but it will also raise the octane level by 10 points.
Think about it.....you will have 100-104 octane fuel anytime any place
at rock bottom prices
This will show that the Injection system + M7 Scoop will out perform
any intercooler system on the market no matter the price for less then
$ 600 and you will always have racegas a pedal away
M7 Intake Data
M7 Throttle input Data
M7 Speed Data
M7 Ignition advance
These are the JCW maps......
JCW Intake temp data
JCW throttle input data
JCW Speed data

JCW ignition advance

And for more info, feel free to call us, pick our brain, get some answers
and enjoy a chat with us.....
peter
Team M7
562-608-8123
Last edited by M7; Apr 15, 2005 at 10:22 PM.
Why would you take a somewhat constructive thread and insert data about an unrelated product?
[edit] deleted the rest... there's no point argueing about it... it's not going to stop the advertising.
[edit] deleted the rest... there's no point argueing about it... it's not going to stop the advertising.
Originally Posted by JeffS
Why would you take a somewhat constructive thread and insert data about an unrelated product?
[edit] deleted the rest... there's no point argueing about it... it's not going to stop the advertising.
[edit] deleted the rest... there's no point argueing about it... it's not going to stop the advertising.
WTF M7 crew? ...Why did you just muddy the watter with alcohol injection?

Anything which doesn't directly relate to the function/performance of the hood scoop may look/be characterized as an attempt to offuscate, confuse or distract. ...Not good thinking guys
Start a new thread - please.
For myself, I was really hoping to see some success here... and it looked as though there'd finally be raw data to back it up too. ...Thought you were gonna give Andy something to put in his pipe. (you know he's been waiting a while now for that too
)c'mon now...
Sorry for the confused, but starting a new thread for the alcohol injection
system is not something we will do untill we have the finished product in our hands, ready for shipping.
peter
Team M7
562-608-8123
system is not something we will do untill we have the finished product in our hands, ready for shipping.
peter
Team M7
562-608-8123
How can you not see the connection there guys??? Let me break down the thought process for you.
M7 Hood scoop = more air = cooler temps....
Cooler temps = WATER INJECTION
Hey peter, are we still on for next saturday? If so, do you have any thermostats on hand??
M7 Hood scoop = more air = cooler temps....
Cooler temps = WATER INJECTION
Hey peter, are we still on for next saturday? If so, do you have any thermostats on hand??







