And I forgot to mention a big plus. The $400.00 also included Randy crossing the country and installing the pulley in my home town. I got to watch the whole thing and the car didn't have to be left all day at a shop or a dealership (where god only knows what could happen to it).

 

It's not that I don't like them, I just feel better when they're not implicitly bashing a man that I hold in very high esteem.

I believe that honor and courtesy count for something; and IMHO ALTA™ has handled this in a fallacious and incompetent manor.

 

The dealer charges $600.00 for a pulley install. You can almost buy an intake and pulley from Randy for the same price. Randy also sells the pulley separately and loans out the tool if you want to do the install yourself. Any other companies out there doing that for you?

Scott

 

Would you mind expanding on what you wrote earlier:

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...0&postcount=41

Did Randy tell you he polished the Alta logo off, or is that just what it looked like to you?

 

I had mine installed much cheaper at steve's auto clinic


your logic is seriously flawed

 

They weren't bashing him at all. Read the posts again. Randy Webb stepped up and cleared the air of what happened. Alta never mentioned ANY vender by name for good reason. They wanted the customer to follow up on their own purchase, not go vender bashing as you have claimed. I applaude both Alta and Randy for taking the high road on this mess. They both deserve our respect for the way this was handled. Although I would recommend some of the NAM members take some courtesy lessons.

 

I never said they did.

 

Sure sounds like it to me.......

 

im-plic' it-ly adj. without ever expressing so clearly

I hope that helps

 

Here's a thought, Alta comes out and points to Webb as the guy who's pawning off "fake Alta pulleys." Now NAM people, especially people who may have never had the opportunity to deal w/ Randy will have a seriously slanted view of Webb Motorsports and never give him a chance. Real bad for a small business owner. Word of mouth recommendations are the best ones. By pointing out vendors and not allowing them to reconcile their issues w/ the end consumer they are potentially killing their businesses. Think of it as bad mouthing on a more massive scale (the internet) and you can see what could come by naming names. I've never dealt w/ Randy, but from his posts on this thread he sounds very honest and ethical.

Great thread, really fun when the postings get heated.

Later

 

You have also spent thousands of dollars there building and keeping the meltomatic alive and if he cut you a deal below his usual retail that does not mean it is the going rate.

Randy

 

[QUOTE=El Diablito Rojo-N20Mini]I had mine installed much cheaper at steve's auto clinic

suprised I alway's figured you were a do it yourself kinda guy

 

SHould I choose to spend the labor The premium I will pay to Mr Webb will be worth it for several reasons.
1. Experience Think anyone has installed more of these??
2. Experience I will get to watch the intire process Document with pictures
if I choose and be confident that I got what I paid for.
3. Experience I will pick this mans brain for every bit of info I can pry out of him
A morning at his shop and the opportunity to ask questions and take pictures while my car is being dismanteled is excellent justification for paying someone to do a job I could do myself. Much better than letting the dealer vanish into the darkness with my car ony to find they did a half *** job when I complete the 200 mile drive home and can inspect there work. JMHO

RAT

 

That's Low Randy

dave

 

Ok so it's only you that thought WMS was being bashed. That makes it so much clearer. Where in any of the posts from Alta is WMS mentioned. It isn't, but because of the rampant assumptions by other members of this board, WMS felt he had to explain himself to the public. Which he did very well with class and clarity. If you are unhappy with past experiences with Alta, then by all means use your right to not do business with them. Alta did what they thought was the best course of action w/o calling any into question any venders integrity.

 

HEHE...............but soooooo true !

 

I am so happy that I can break away from the family to keep up with this thread! I am happy that this thread has raised my level of alertness. I have a feeling that one of the eggs in my basket may be a FAKE cadburry easter egg everyone should take the time to check their baskets! Happy Easter

 

Reading between the lines... It can be painfully difficult at times, and gets even more so here where other communications can lead folks astray, and possibly cloud the real message or intent...

A writer or speaker is said to infer... while a reader or listener is the one who implies. At least that is what I recall... Either way, no matter what one calls it, the concerns are real ones...

Happy Easter NAMers!

 

As some of you may know, both El and my self have spent thousands of dollars developing our cars. We have both been in and out of the shop in order to try different setups and in the long run many other customers have benefited. Additionally in El’s case many corrections have been needed because of installation instructions and products provided by vendors that just didn’t work correctly. Randy you know this to be true, and we have all been very thankful to Steve’s Auto Clinic for these repairs. But I stray further off topic, and for that I apologize.

What I wanted to post on this thread is that I work closely with the California Department of Consumer Affairs. If a customer has a complaint about an item that was sold to them, they first take it up with that vendor to make the correction. If you were sold an item as a specific brand and that brand was substituted without your knowledge, which is fraud plain and simple, you should contact your local Department of Consumer Affairs.


Dave

 

Who's first question to you will be "Did you contact the seller and try to resolve it with them?"

Let's be perfectly clear here, it's only fraud if the substitution was intentional. Which seems to be the root of the accusations that have been thrown about here... Those who have attacked WMS and others have screamed fraud or worse without the facts. The facts were presented and the attacks continued...

As posted above, the first step is to try and resolve the situation with the seller, if they are unresponsive or refuse to remedy the situation, THEN you can consider the BBB and/or the Consumer Affairs.

 

Here are a couple of questions for Randy Webb. When you caliper the pulleys, between what two points are you measuring the run-out and what is the acceptable range for that measurement?

 

Between the same area I use every time on the supercharger, and the pulley. It runs within a hundredth - .168 or so to .178 or so. I also caliper the diameter, and it is round so you just use the face. When I received the German pulleys, I also put a caliper on the thickness of the hub and pulley.

Those are the tolerances I've seen with all types of pulleys, except for the two that came to me at the Bay Area purchased off of Ebay that were marked with Alta logos, in Alta boxes, with Alta stickers.

Hope that helps!
Randy

 

Beleive me everyone is happy that people like to spend money on their cars especially vendors. My comment about the meltomatic was that El stated that he got his pulley installed at Steves for less than the going rate of $400. My point was that if Steve cut him a deal it was due to the fact that he has spent a lot of money there and not that the going rate is not " much cheeper " as he stated.

Randy
M7 Tuning

 

This thread is going to my top 10 list. Bloody classic.

Randy Webb pwns you all. (Yes, you too El.) .

 

Maybe I missed something...? Please do share the origin(s) of the 'meltomatic' reference.