Drivetrain RMS/Webb Motorsports twinscrew
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Originally Posted by El Diablito Rojo-N20Mini
boy.. how wrong are you?
I am not putting down the project and I am glad that you are going thru this out of the goodness of your heart for the Mini community at large. But fair is fair and when you make a comment that another system might take x amount of dollars to reach a goal you have to keep in mind what it has taken for you to get where you are. As for being impressed that I know so much about your car it is not hard to know a lot about your car when you post so much
As to where I was getting the figures in what you have spent to get to 281 it comes from your posts as well as conservative estimation from what labor may have cost. here are a few gems from the past couple of weeks.FIRST SETUP
"Just so YOU understand where I am coming from.... I spent 15k with M7... so don't think I have it out for them. I just want REAL testing and numbers not a lot of promises...... "
Now looking at their web site I do not see where they do installs so labor has to be added as well. I am sure that only part of the 15 k went into the motor but it is a factor.
Cost of the first head 1500 to 1800 +700 labor
throttle body 400 + 50 labor
flywheel and install 600 + 1000 labor
SPI system 5800 plus labor $?
Custom Exhaust ? install ?
Total between 10,050 and 10,350 without parts and install cost of the exhaust and the SPI system
SECOND SETUP
Originally Posted by MiniPilo
Yes, I made that mistake about the PSI. sorry.
Well, Here is some breakdown of the retail cost
Pistons go for approx 650 (though we are working on a second version with longer rods, and shorter pin height for a stronger bottom end. for about 1500 full package)
Performance coatings are 200
Cylinder head work is about 2000-2500
The head can also be coated for lower temps as well
Also, there is about 500 dollars in bearings and gasket replacement costs that are associated with a complete engine overhaul
El can comment on the labor and the mileage of the engine
Thanks
Dan
Parts costs here between 3350 and 3850
Engine assembly at race shop. $3000 + ?
Total here 6350 to 6850
Total for first setup $ 10,050
Total for second setup $ 6,350
Total using low figures $ 16,400
Unknown quantities
Amount from initial 15k with M7 ?
Exhaust system parts and install
SPI install
So as I said somewhere between 16 and 17 k. Now you may be able to come up with some lower figures for what is listed here but I am only showing what has been posted on this and other boards. We both know there are other items that add up to a good amount as well such as light weight wheels etc. and other things you may have not mentioned. I don't see why you want to dispute the amount spent as it is not a bad thing and the more you learn from your expenditures and share with the mini community the better for us all.
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Originally Posted by conehead
Wrong? Hmmm lets see shall we ?
I am not putting down the project and I am glad that you are going thru this out of the goodness of your heart for the Mini community at large. But fair is fair and when you make a comment that another system might take x amount of dollars to reach a goal you have to keep in mind what it has taken for you to get where you are. As for being impressed that I know so much about your car it is not hard to know a lot about your car when you post so much As to where I was getting the figures in what you have spent to get to 281 it comes from your posts as well as conservative estimation from what labor may have cost. here are a few gems from the past couple of weeks.
FIRST SETUP
"Just so YOU understand where I am coming from.... I spent 15k with M7... so don't think I have it out for them. I just want REAL testing and numbers not a lot of promises...... "
Now looking at their web site I do not see where they do installs so labor has to be added as well. I am sure that only part of the 15 k went into the motor but it is a factor.
Cost of the first head 1500 to 1800 +700 labor
throttle body 400 + 50 labor
flywheel and install 600 + 1000 labor
SPI system 5800 plus labor $?
Custom Exhaust ? install ?
Total between 10,050 and 10,350 without parts and install cost of the exhaust and the SPI system
SECOND SETUP
Originally Posted by MiniPilo
Yes, I made that mistake about the PSI. sorry.
Well, Here is some breakdown of the retail cost
Pistons go for approx 650 (though we are working on a second version with longer rods, and shorter pin height for a stronger bottom end. for about 1500 full package)
Performance coatings are 200
Cylinder head work is about 2000-2500
The head can also be coated for lower temps as well
Also, there is about 500 dollars in bearings and gasket replacement costs that are associated with a complete engine overhaul
El can comment on the labor and the mileage of the engine
Thanks
Dan
Parts costs here between 3350 and 3850
Engine assembly at race shop. $3000 + ?
Total here 6350 to 6850
Total for first setup $ 10,050
Total for second setup $ 6,350
Total using low figures $ 16,400
Unknown quantities
Amount from initial 15k with M7 ?
Exhaust system parts and install
SPI install
So as I said somewhere between 16 and 17 k. Now you may be able to come up with some lower figures for what is listed here but I am only showing what has been posted on this and other boards. We both know there are other items that add up to a good amount as well such as light weight wheels etc. and other things you may have not mentioned. I don't see why you want to dispute the amount spent as it is not a bad thing and the more you learn from your expenditures and share with the mini community the better for us all.
I am not putting down the project and I am glad that you are going thru this out of the goodness of your heart for the Mini community at large. But fair is fair and when you make a comment that another system might take x amount of dollars to reach a goal you have to keep in mind what it has taken for you to get where you are. As for being impressed that I know so much about your car it is not hard to know a lot about your car when you post so much
As to where I was getting the figures in what you have spent to get to 281 it comes from your posts as well as conservative estimation from what labor may have cost. here are a few gems from the past couple of weeks.FIRST SETUP
"Just so YOU understand where I am coming from.... I spent 15k with M7... so don't think I have it out for them. I just want REAL testing and numbers not a lot of promises...... "
Now looking at their web site I do not see where they do installs so labor has to be added as well. I am sure that only part of the 15 k went into the motor but it is a factor.
Cost of the first head 1500 to 1800 +700 labor
throttle body 400 + 50 labor
flywheel and install 600 + 1000 labor
SPI system 5800 plus labor $?
Custom Exhaust ? install ?
Total between 10,050 and 10,350 without parts and install cost of the exhaust and the SPI system
SECOND SETUP
Originally Posted by MiniPilo
Yes, I made that mistake about the PSI. sorry.
Well, Here is some breakdown of the retail cost
Pistons go for approx 650 (though we are working on a second version with longer rods, and shorter pin height for a stronger bottom end. for about 1500 full package)
Performance coatings are 200
Cylinder head work is about 2000-2500
The head can also be coated for lower temps as well
Also, there is about 500 dollars in bearings and gasket replacement costs that are associated with a complete engine overhaul
El can comment on the labor and the mileage of the engine
Thanks
Dan
Parts costs here between 3350 and 3850
Engine assembly at race shop. $3000 + ?
Total here 6350 to 6850
Total for first setup $ 10,050
Total for second setup $ 6,350
Total using low figures $ 16,400
Unknown quantities
Amount from initial 15k with M7 ?
Exhaust system parts and install
SPI install
So as I said somewhere between 16 and 17 k. Now you may be able to come up with some lower figures for what is listed here but I am only showing what has been posted on this and other boards. We both know there are other items that add up to a good amount as well such as light weight wheels etc. and other things you may have not mentioned. I don't see why you want to dispute the amount spent as it is not a bad thing and the more you learn from your expenditures and share with the mini community the better for us all.
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From: ann arbor michigan
Hey El,
how about you post up the numbers or at least send it to the guy in a PM so we can end all of this silliness, and by silliness i mean the arguing not the people. :smile:
just a suggestion
Ben
how about you post up the numbers or at least send it to the guy in a PM so we can end all of this silliness, and by silliness i mean the arguing not the people. :smile:
just a suggestion
Ben
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Originally Posted by mybroscoop
Hey El,
how about you post up the numbers or at least send it to the guy in a PM so we can end all of this silliness, and by silliness i mean the arguing not the people. :smile:
just a suggestion
Ben
how about you post up the numbers or at least send it to the guy in a PM so we can end all of this silliness, and by silliness i mean the arguing not the people. :smile:
just a suggestion
Ben
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From: Mennnnnner
to be honest, el's somewhat "blunt" and "bowling ball right in your face" response method should not be scorned, but rather encouraged. Sure it can throw us off sometimes, but the rest of the time? Really amusing to see the reactions.
Plus, he has the cowbells skit playing! you can't not like that! let's be true to ourselves. We could all use more cowbell.
And he DID pretty much go through virtually all high end setup's currently imaginable. He doesnt have to like this new one (though sneaky sneaky, he might've, but was turned off when people hated on his current system. who wouldnt? I get furious when people question my installing the SpiRAlMaXXorS.). Plus, he has better things planned for the future for his poor ravaged mini. I recall seeing 400 hp minimum, or something similar?
That said, anyone who sees a fellow mini'er with flames coming out of his tailpipes, and isn't jealous (even a wee bit) probably had a lobotomy, and was stuffed inside a cooper S for the purpose of others' amusement (a lot like when a monkey has sunglasses on).
Also, I will vouch for Randy's character as someone who tries his hardest to be honest and good, but sometimes lacks the organizational capacity to manage his overloaded schedule (and the information flooded inside his brainpan). I mean, the guy flies all over the country for pulley parties, is on his phone talking to some dude that hardly speaks english for the sake of a new high end mod (and high end money!), and I think he tries to have a personal life too (ridiculous to think of this as a possibility, but... commendable for puny humans and their inferior human brains). Just the other month, I said give me this one thing, and he ordered something else for his pulley party, and he somehow managed get that sway bar all the way up himself to spare me the pain of bearing the financial burden. And then APOLOGIZED afterwards, even though he gave me a better bar for the same price and whatever cost he ate for shipping and whatnot. He could easily have: 1. sent me home with the bar he ordered, and my pocket having less than what i wanted to have, 2. he could've sent me home with nothing if i refused his terms. but instead, he was fair and balanced (with no spin! but not in the way fox news has no spin), and did the "right thing", albeit very painful.
So the moral of the story is, you should never eat paintchips and later request a lobotomy and drive a mini at 4am at the same time. Cause i certainly didnt enjoy my lobotomy. Or much of anything else for that matter.
Plus, he has the cowbells skit playing! you can't not like that! let's be true to ourselves. We could all use more cowbell.
And he DID pretty much go through virtually all high end setup's currently imaginable. He doesnt have to like this new one (though sneaky sneaky, he might've, but was turned off when people hated on his current system. who wouldnt? I get furious when people question my installing the SpiRAlMaXXorS.). Plus, he has better things planned for the future for his poor ravaged mini. I recall seeing 400 hp minimum, or something similar?
That said, anyone who sees a fellow mini'er with flames coming out of his tailpipes, and isn't jealous (even a wee bit) probably had a lobotomy, and was stuffed inside a cooper S for the purpose of others' amusement (a lot like when a monkey has sunglasses on).
Also, I will vouch for Randy's character as someone who tries his hardest to be honest and good, but sometimes lacks the organizational capacity to manage his overloaded schedule (and the information flooded inside his brainpan). I mean, the guy flies all over the country for pulley parties, is on his phone talking to some dude that hardly speaks english for the sake of a new high end mod (and high end money!), and I think he tries to have a personal life too (ridiculous to think of this as a possibility, but... commendable for puny humans and their inferior human brains). Just the other month, I said give me this one thing, and he ordered something else for his pulley party, and he somehow managed get that sway bar all the way up himself to spare me the pain of bearing the financial burden. And then APOLOGIZED afterwards, even though he gave me a better bar for the same price and whatever cost he ate for shipping and whatnot. He could easily have: 1. sent me home with the bar he ordered, and my pocket having less than what i wanted to have, 2. he could've sent me home with nothing if i refused his terms. but instead, he was fair and balanced (with no spin! but not in the way fox news has no spin), and did the "right thing", albeit very painful.
So the moral of the story is, you should never eat paintchips and later request a lobotomy and drive a mini at 4am at the same time. Cause i certainly didnt enjoy my lobotomy. Or much of anything else for that matter.
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From: So Cal
jinubob.... nice post
I hate internet sites for this very reason. Everything comes off as sounding harsher than intended. Being a former Marine we have been trained to get straight to the point. Tact may not be one of my better traits. One thing for sure you will get the skinny on whatever I have tried... Good or Bad. I am sure if we all sat down together and had a beer or two I am sure we could all "argue" our own points and it would be much better. Maybe someday it will all happen sooner rather than later and preferrably at the track
If people don't want to learn from my mistakes that is fine, but don't say I didn't try to tell ya. Peace and out!
I hate internet sites for this very reason. Everything comes off as sounding harsher than intended. Being a former Marine we have been trained to get straight to the point. Tact may not be one of my better traits. One thing for sure you will get the skinny on whatever I have tried... Good or Bad. I am sure if we all sat down together and had a beer or two I am sure we could all "argue" our own points and it would be much better. Maybe someday it will all happen sooner rather than later and preferrably at the track
If people don't want to learn from my mistakes that is fine, but don't say I didn't try to tell ya. Peace and out!
i agree with junibob and el... with the internet things just are.. one dimension.. you take what people say as they type it... sometimes they may not mean what they intend to... i appuld el's straight forward style.. it gets to the point... without padding... granted its not always appreciated... but i just like his style...
for people like randy... no matter what you think of him as junibob said... the guy is amazing... i don't know him personally but the way he's doing all this, absolutely stunning customer service, and all this time trying to bring some innovation into the field continues to amaze me that randy hasn't broken down!
now back on topic! how about that twin screw eh?
for people like randy... no matter what you think of him as junibob said... the guy is amazing... i don't know him personally but the way he's doing all this, absolutely stunning customer service, and all this time trying to bring some innovation into the field continues to amaze me that randy hasn't broken down!
now back on topic! how about that twin screw eh?
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From: NY NY
How about that twinscrew, now that the twincharger has put down flat torque from 2500 rpm (about 300ftlbs)?
Seems like 12,000 road miles and what is a farily simple system by comparison is hard to beat.
Any comments from Randy about the RMS system he has been testing?
(from a report given 3/14: "Last night I saw Randy's latest project car, with the RMS water-to-air intercooler and everything, including the hot and cold water hoses running to and from the intercooler. The whole package was sa-weet!")
Seems like 12,000 road miles and what is a farily simple system by comparison is hard to beat.
Any comments from Randy about the RMS system he has been testing?
(from a report given 3/14: "Last night I saw Randy's latest project car, with the RMS water-to-air intercooler and everything, including the hot and cold water hoses running to and from the intercooler. The whole package was sa-weet!")
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I'm waiting for all of the info to be gathered, lest I be thrown into the firey pits of flamedom! I am continuing to test, and will post when I am confident the thing works - so far, so good.
As far as breaking down - I have. I am working harder on my marriage and family right now than my work, and several of my projects have been diverted. Several of the rides I was supposed to have, I am only going to sponsor. I need more time for my wife and kids.
The irony is, with the tapering of some of these time allotments, I should be able to do a better job on the core business. I intend to do pulley parties and better the customer response time - something I've been working on since the early days of the business! I have hired two new guys, and some of you may have already talked to them. They both have MINIs, and are both great guys that want to help the community.
Back to topic - I will be posting all of the info as soon as it is ready.
Randy
I am continuing to test, and will post when I am confident the thing works - so far, so good.As far as breaking down - I have. I am working harder on my marriage and family right now than my work, and several of my projects have been diverted. Several of the rides I was supposed to have, I am only going to sponsor. I need more time for my wife and kids.
The irony is, with the tapering of some of these time allotments, I should be able to do a better job on the core business. I intend to do pulley parties and better the customer response time - something I've been working on since the early days of the business! I have hired two new guys, and some of you may have already talked to them. They both have MINIs, and are both great guys that want to help the community.
Back to topic - I will be posting all of the info as soon as it is ready.
Randy
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From: Baton Rouge, LA
Originally Posted by El Diablito Rojo-N20Mini
Now if you want to foot the bill so you can walk the walk I will be glad to move aside and let you push the boundaries on the mini yourself and report back to the people who want to make the same HP w/o all of the $$$ spent. Some would like to hear how to do it in the cheapest manner possible. I know I would have.
Heck, if I was still worried about going as fast as I could in a straight line I definitely would not have gotten rid of my bolt-on 13.8 et '02 GMC for the MINI...I decided for a quick car over a fast one and will continue to make my MINI quicker.
Yes, this post was off topic....back to the RMS kit.
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why does all this nonsense get directed at the devil? seems to me he has tried out at his expense and posted more results than even many vendors, yet readers like 04 seem to get their tail in a knot when he tells what he found out.
Bragging or not, who cares? I'd rather find out the good and the bad about a product than just read all the hype from a vendor humping his own product. readers would gobble it up if devil was reporting back about dealer issues (and there have been many dealer feedback reports), so why not the same attitude when he reports on vendor products?
Bragging or not, who cares? I'd rather find out the good and the bad about a product than just read all the hype from a vendor humping his own product. readers would gobble it up if devil was reporting back about dealer issues (and there have been many dealer feedback reports), so why not the same attitude when he reports on vendor products?
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From: City of Angels, Cali
Originally Posted by jlm
readers would gobble it up if devil was reporting back about dealer issues (and there have been many dealer feedback reports), so why not the same attitude when he reports on vendor products?
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el mentioned the twilight zone...I get the distinct feeling posts are getting cropped; I'm sure I read a few things that can't be found.
what this does is skew the perspective. I say leave it all and if it gets raunchy (or maybe just too stupid or OT) just lock the thread
what this does is skew the perspective. I say leave it all and if it gets raunchy (or maybe just too stupid or OT) just lock the thread
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From: Phoenix, AZ
Originally Posted by jlm
I get the distinct feeling posts are getting cropped; I'm sure I read a few things that can't be found. what this does is skew the perspective.
I sure hope no one makes that mistake again.
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Originally Posted by jlm
el mentioned the twilight zone...I get the distinct feeling posts are getting cropped; I'm sure I read a few things that can't be found.
what this does is skew the perspective. I say leave it all and if it gets raunchy (or maybe just too stupid or OT) just lock the thread
what this does is skew the perspective. I say leave it all and if it gets raunchy (or maybe just too stupid or OT) just lock the thread
But I do moderate several very contentious forums in other parts of the e-world.
Using the full spread of moderation powers (locking, removing, editing, etc) is pretty much essential to effective moderation (by which I mean maximizing the communication value of the forum). Often, if you leave an inflammatory post (particularly a personal attack) in a thread, even if you lock the thread, you see responses to that attack popping up in other threads, and even other forums.
I think the moderation team here does a pretty darn good job. It's easy to criticize, but until you've been on the other end of the keyboard (invariably as a volunteer), it's hard to appreciate what a sticky mess those decisions can be.
Oh, and if you think that car nuts are bad, you ought to try stepping into a BASE jumper's turf war--we've actually had people physically tarred and feathered (for real--I've got the video).
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Originally Posted by jlm
why does all this nonsense get directed at the devil? seems to me he has tried out at his expense and posted more results than even many vendors, yet readers like 04 seem to get their tail in a knot when he tells what he found out.
Bragging or not, who cares? I'd rather find out the good and the bad about a product than just read all the hype from a vendor humping his own product. readers would gobble it up if devil was reporting back about dealer issues (and there have been many dealer feedback reports), so why not the same attitude when he reports on vendor products?
Bragging or not, who cares? I'd rather find out the good and the bad about a product than just read all the hype from a vendor humping his own product. readers would gobble it up if devil was reporting back about dealer issues (and there have been many dealer feedback reports), so why not the same attitude when he reports on vendor products?
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From: Atlanta/Amsterdam
Originally Posted by jlm
why does all this nonsense get directed at the devil?
I think he has a great car, and posts great numbers but sometimes people are upset about the perceived cocky attitude that sometimes exhibited in the posts. Probably someone who claims to have the fastest Mini is also a great target, just as the best is always targeted in real life.
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Originally Posted by dgszweda1
Because the Devil is always blamed for everything... Ooops sorry, wrong Devil.:smile:
I think he has a great car, and posts great numbers but sometimes people are upset about the perceived cocky attitude that sometimes exhibited in the posts. Probably someone who claims to have the fastest Mini is also a great target, just as the best is always targeted in real life.
I think he has a great car, and posts great numbers but sometimes people are upset about the perceived cocky attitude that sometimes exhibited in the posts. Probably someone who claims to have the fastest Mini is also a great target, just as the best is always targeted in real life.
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well....I can't sleep...so I thought I would do some reading....I read through this whole thread....there is one thing that sticks out in my mind....
before I go into that I think it is important for people to know why I would know anything about the subject...that subject being racing....I was fortunate enough that My father LOVES cars...adn there for I have been around racing and racing motor viehicles my whole life...I think the first time I was on a motorized viehicle I was about 5...lucky me...since then I have race everything I could get into...whether it was skate boards down big hills...or MX, or my ducati...various cars and trucks...even had the pleasure of an F40 @ Lime Rock Park...I would spend all my time learning how to go faster...
SO that being said...Power is not everything...HOWEVER, every track I have raced the finish line is on a straight...meaning I maybe in the lead as I track out of the last apex...and yet here comes some yahoo who can't even drive that well cuase he has more HP and just smashed the throttle to the ground....in that instance I may have driven the perfect line and it wouldn't matter cause he just has that much more power...
The talk of how El's system is going to deliver power in a lump is way off...It's TWINCHARGED...it's the best of both worlds...heck look at Hubie's last Dyno...the torque curve shoots up...more so than any turbo car could do...why cause it's still got the supercharger...
which brings me back to...therefore it is drivable...and I am damn sure it's fun...and well now with Hubies current setup...is a damn Enzo crusher...LOL...cause power in the turns is relative to throttle...but the straights...well there is only so much one can do once you have reached WOP....
I am only trying to put into perspective that which I think has been lost in the ehh hem *#$% contest....
I applaude everyone who is out there doing R&D it's going to save me alot of $
that includes Webb Motor Sports and M7...you all are doing great things...
oh and randy...loose the we don't build dyno queens...it's childish...you know as well as anyone...the car is damn fast...whether it's watkins glen or lime rock park...it would be damn fast...Hp is HP and since we are all talking about minis, we know they handle well...even better when one adds proper suspension...SO, as long as you slow down for the turn in you'll be fine...LOL...
and since i have a feeling this is what cause the dissapearance of EL...
(Say this fast so it's funny)
FREE EL DIABLITO!
before I go into that I think it is important for people to know why I would know anything about the subject...that subject being racing....I was fortunate enough that My father LOVES cars...adn there for I have been around racing and racing motor viehicles my whole life...I think the first time I was on a motorized viehicle I was about 5...lucky me...since then I have race everything I could get into...whether it was skate boards down big hills...or MX, or my ducati...various cars and trucks...even had the pleasure of an F40 @ Lime Rock Park...I would spend all my time learning how to go faster...
SO that being said...Power is not everything...HOWEVER, every track I have raced the finish line is on a straight...meaning I maybe in the lead as I track out of the last apex...and yet here comes some yahoo who can't even drive that well cuase he has more HP and just smashed the throttle to the ground....in that instance I may have driven the perfect line and it wouldn't matter cause he just has that much more power...
The talk of how El's system is going to deliver power in a lump is way off...It's TWINCHARGED...it's the best of both worlds...heck look at Hubie's last Dyno...the torque curve shoots up...more so than any turbo car could do...why cause it's still got the supercharger...
which brings me back to...therefore it is drivable...and I am damn sure it's fun...and well now with Hubies current setup...is a damn Enzo crusher...LOL...cause power in the turns is relative to throttle...but the straights...well there is only so much one can do once you have reached WOP....
I am only trying to put into perspective that which I think has been lost in the ehh hem *#$% contest....
I applaude everyone who is out there doing R&D it's going to save me alot of $
that includes Webb Motor Sports and M7...you all are doing great things...
oh and randy...loose the we don't build dyno queens...it's childish...you know as well as anyone...the car is damn fast...whether it's watkins glen or lime rock park...it would be damn fast...Hp is HP and since we are all talking about minis, we know they handle well...even better when one adds proper suspension...SO, as long as you slow down for the turn in you'll be fine...LOL...
and since i have a feeling this is what cause the dissapearance of EL...
(Say this fast so it's funny)
FREE EL DIABLITO!
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From: City of Angels, Cali
Hey Tuls,
HP doesnt do jack for you if you dont finish the race.
And when a car runs too hot/unreliable setup, something is going to break. (See the Vishnu EVO for example, piece of crap breaks every time).
Then again, if it dont break, you have a champion.
So if the turbo kit is reliable enough, then Hubie/El have a winner.... Has El really got a temp ban?
HP doesnt do jack for you if you dont finish the race.
And when a car runs too hot/unreliable setup, something is going to break. (See the Vishnu EVO for example, piece of crap breaks every time).
Then again, if it dont break, you have a champion.
So if the turbo kit is reliable enough, then Hubie/El have a winner.... Has El really got a temp ban?
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From: Wilmington, NC
Originally Posted by camelpilot
Has El really got a temp ban?
FREE ELDIABLITO!