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Old Dec 27, 2021 | 05:41 PM
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Does anyone know the average time it should take an experienced shop to install a LSD? I'm picking up an 06 r53 with 73k miles and want to have one installed. I wil probably have a new clutch installed at the same time but in case I don't, I'd like to get an idea of how long it takes so I can figure out how much it's going to cost.
 
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Old Dec 27, 2021 | 10:12 PM
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For an experienced shop (that's installed a couple LSDs previously and has their own bearing press), it will probably add 1.5 hours to a clutch job.
FYI: ModMini has an excellent video on a Quaife install that will show you what's required.
 
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Old Dec 28, 2021 | 03:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Mini_Crazy
For an experienced shop (that's installed a couple LSDs previously and has their own bearing press), it will probably add 1.5 hours to a clutch job.
Having done the job, for an estimate, this is probably reasonable. Also, I wouldn’t considering paying to have the job done WITHOUT replacing the clutch.
 
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Old Dec 28, 2021 | 04:41 AM
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F56 Quaife, OEM Clutch, including all relevent bits, and missing no chances.

$1,800 for labor at Mini of Peabody.

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Old Dec 28, 2021 | 06:31 AM
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that's what I would expect, honestly that's cheap for a dealer
 
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Old Dec 28, 2021 | 08:53 AM
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That's a great price for a dealer! When I swapped out my open diff on my '03, it only took me a couple hours to get it apart, and press on the new bearings. It's so much easier than working on a RWD pumpkin as you're not setting any backlash etc.. I will say though, that while it's apart, make sure you change out the slave rod bushing on the fork that opens and closes the pressure plate, as well as changing the snout of the input shaft. These wear out, even if you have low miles, and the pedal feel was so much better afterwards. Check your output seals on the axles to see if they're seeping oil. Best time to change them while it's all apart!
 
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Old Dec 28, 2021 | 12:54 PM
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$61 for Locktite? Please.
 
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Old Dec 28, 2021 | 04:50 PM
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To be fair, Loctite 518 isn’t exactly cheap, and it probably required a fair amount to reseal the tranny.
 
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Old Dec 28, 2021 | 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by deepgrey
To be fair, Loctite 518 isn’t exactly cheap, and it probably required a fair amount to reseal the tranny.
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thanks for all the replies . is there a consensus on which lsd is better, a quaife or a wavetrac. from the prices i've seen, the quaife is 899.00 and the wavetrac is 1065.00. ive been away from modding cars since 2011 and ive never heard of wavetrac before.
 
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Old Dec 28, 2021 | 07:55 PM
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Old Dec 29, 2021 | 05:21 PM
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Old Dec 29, 2021 | 06:17 PM
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Old Dec 29, 2021 | 09:50 PM
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Let's get back to putting a LSD in a Mini. . .

Originally Posted by cooper48
$61 for Locktite? Please.
Yep, that's for two of Mini's overpriced 1.6ml tubes of 518 Loctite.
You can buy the 2ml version of 518 Loctite for $6/ea via Amazon Prime. That will be more than enough anaerobic to seal up the "tranny" (common shorthand for transmission for more than 60 years in the performance industry).

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thanks for all the replies . is there a consensus on which lsd is better, a quaife or a wavetrac. from the prices i've seen, the quaife is 899.00 and the wavetrac is 1065.00. ive been away from modding cars since 2011 and ive never heard of wavetrac before.
Ripper, please define "better" . I have seen no side-by-side performance testing that indicates Wavetrac is any better than Quaife. Both are gear-type LSD's. Wavetrac claims "newer-better" technology than Quaife, but I'd like to see the measured results. Anybody else?

For serious track cars with aggressive drivers, OS Giken has some measurable performance advantages, but it's also reportedly noisy, pricey and may require occasional tuning, so maybe not in a daily driver.

 
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Old Dec 29, 2021 | 10:37 PM
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[QUOTE Wavetrac claims "newer-better" technology than Quaife, .[/QUOTE]

that’s what I ment. Does anyone know the difference between the two?
 
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Old Dec 30, 2021 | 01:54 AM
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Here is some information on that point.

This article does a good job I think.

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Old Dec 30, 2021 | 03:05 AM
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Huh. I thought that p/n was the 50 ml tube. 1.6 ml doesn’t seem like very much, but I don’t claim to be an expert on diff replacement.
 
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Old Dec 30, 2021 | 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Soul Coughing
That's a great price for a dealer! When I swapped out my open diff on my '03, it only took me a couple hours to get it apart, and press on the new bearings. It's so much easier than working on a RWD pumpkin as you're not setting any backlash etc.. I will say though, that while it's apart, make sure you change out the slave rod bushing on the fork that opens and closes the pressure plate, as well as changing the snout of the input shaft. These wear out, even if you have low miles, and the pedal feel was so much better afterwards. Check your output seals on the axles to see if they're seeping oil. Best time to change them while it's all apart!
Just to clarify because I'll be doing this job soonish.

Are the bushings you're talking about #5 and #6?

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what do you mean by the 'snout of the input shaft'?

Thanks.
 
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Old Dec 30, 2021 | 08:53 AM
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replace #2 at a minimum also #1 #5 and #6. I have seen leaking input (#2) and axle shaft seals, have not seen the other parts wear out but they are cheap and you are right there anyway...
 
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Old Dec 30, 2021 | 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by cmt52663
Here is some information on that point.

This article does a good job I think.

Cheers,

Charlie
thank you!!!!
 
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Old Dec 30, 2021 | 01:37 PM
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Will need also to recode ABS module for LSD.


 
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Old Jan 2, 2022 | 09:23 AM
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Will need also to recode ABS module for LSD.
I'm curious, what would happen if ABS is not coded?
 
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Old Jan 7, 2022 | 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Oldboy Speedwell
Just to clarify because I'll be doing this job soonish.

Are the bushings you're talking about #5 and #6?

23117509744
23110530904



And,
what do you mean by the 'snout of the input shaft'?

Thanks.
wouldn't these parts be changed out by shop if I was having lsd and clutch replaced at the same time?
 
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Old Jan 7, 2022 | 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by r53racer
I'm curious, what would happen if ABS is not coded?
I don't know, but i worked on few R50 conversion for 6-speed gearbox , without recoding in EMS for Getrag transmission and in ABS -MK60 module- for 6 speed transmission, the car was not driving properly.
 
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Old Jan 14, 2022 | 09:03 AM
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Great info and probably something worth doing to be 100%! I will give my anecdotal experience with throwing in a Quaife LSD on my old '03 that had an open diff; I had no drivability or issues (throwing codes) with the car.
 
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