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Drivetrain Turbo and Twincharged MCS

Old Jan 7, 2005 | 01:36 PM
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They should consider the twincharge option for the MINIUSA drag car. One run-300hp, shoot the valve springs to mars, and then rebuild. Repeat steps and then win drag races.
 
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Old Jan 7, 2005 | 02:46 PM
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If you modify any car beyond the manufacturer's design - you will take away any reliability (if it was one to start with) from the get go. So JCW - yeah it's tested and proven - warrenty doesn't suffer - but rest assured that it might need to save the day if the JCW fails.

Twincharged - most power available for the Cooper S - it's more complex - so yeah it's need more maintanance and possible more downtime. Forget the warrenty if you want the highest hp - you can't play it safe to play in this game.

& if you want reliability look else where - the mini isn't the most reliable in the first place. Play it safe and go buy a Honda Accord.

As for the purpose of either kit - it comes down to getting more power - the obvious winner is the Twincharged. JCW is for those who want to tinker with their car - but not willing to step up to take the risks involved in tuning your car. 6K in either direction - you make your choice.
 
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Old Jan 7, 2005 | 02:55 PM
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Turbo vs Twincharged.

Here are my questions.
Twincharged vs straight turbo kit. Does one have advantages over the other? Isn't there a turbo kit on the horizon that is to replace the SC, and if so how would this have an advantage or disadvantage over twincharge, (sc and turbo). Less moving parts? Boost is boost right? Or does the twincharge,(SC) help with the "turbo lag"?....so many question. Thanks...
 
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Old Jan 7, 2005 | 06:39 PM
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If i was interested in warranty (JCW) I would not have made this thread I crave power and i think others would agree
 
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Old Jan 7, 2005 | 08:16 PM
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If more people were aware of a twincharge option versus the JCW, there would be some takers. Especially when you tell them the horsepower ratings. Not everyone is aware of all the options out there. I bet there are some folks here who considered the JCW but are taking a hard look at the twincharge version now there are several topics on it. I think people are probably holding off on buying the JCW to see how this sorts itself out.
 
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Old Jan 7, 2005 | 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by TwOMINIs
Here are my questions.
Twincharged vs straight turbo kit. Does one have advantages over the other? ...Boost is boost right? Or does the twincharge,(SC) help with the "turbo lag"?....so many question. Thanks...
This I can answer. Most definitely, the twincharged gives the best of both worlds. No turbo lag yet plenty of power up top. From what I understand, the Helix/PSI kit actually limits total boost at upper RPMs in 1st and 2nd gear b/c there's too much power. So I don't think an all turbo could beat a twincharge at the upper end either b/c the supercharger is also producing its max boost there too (although there is a bit of supercharger drag). Twincharged would beat a turbo hands down IMO. Not even a contest.
 
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Old Jan 7, 2005 | 09:31 PM
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depends on what you want to see...all turbo will give more wheel hp without question, but it might lag more than desired and have a more brutal come-on to power.
 
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Old Jan 8, 2005 | 02:15 AM
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dude, you're so wasting your time with this whole "twincharging" and "turbo charging" business.

just go get yourself a TURBONATOR!!!! RoXXoRZZzzzz

twincharging, nitrous, header this, drama that... save it!!!

you just need $70 and a lot of hopes and dreams to glue it together. If you ask nicely, it might come with a BOV sound generator!

SPI, Helix-psifi, JCW... these guys will have nothing on you.

Plus you can use it to hair dry later.
 
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Old Jan 8, 2005 | 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by jinubob81
dude, you're so wasting your time with this whole "twincharging" and "turbo charging" business.

just go get yourself a TURBONATOR!!!! RoXXoRZZzzzz

twincharging, nitrous, header this, drama that... save it!!!

you just need $70 and a lot of hopes and dreams to glue it together. If you ask nicely, it might come with a BOV sound generator!

SPI, Helix-psifi, JCW... these guys will have nothing on you.

Plus you can use it to hair dry later.
I consider those things trashy and cheap something a civic driver might do (sorry i hate civics and stupid crap like that) plus where is the fun in having a high whp mini that can burn some rubber. final statement-I hate fakes!
 
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Old Jan 8, 2005 | 06:37 AM
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Yay! Another JCW vs. after-market thread!

I've found being overly sensative and missing humor/sarcasm really makes a thread worthwhile.
 
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Old Jan 8, 2005 | 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by jinubob81
dude, you're so wasting your time with this whole "twincharging" and "turbo charging" business.

just go get yourself a TURBONATOR!!!! RoXXoRZZzzzz

twincharging, nitrous, header this, drama that... save it!!!

you just need $70 and a lot of hopes and dreams to glue it together. If you ask nicely, it might come with a BOV sound generator!

SPI, Helix-psifi, JCW... these guys will have nothing on you.

Plus you can use it to hair dry later.
awesome

My hopes and dreams have long since evaporated, but I still got plenty of glue.
 
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Old Jan 9, 2005 | 06:17 PM
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what kind of maintnance is required for a twincharge or turbo kit and will any of the companies offer a warranty with it?
 
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Old Jan 10, 2005 | 12:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Manny61986
what kind of maintnance is required for a twincharge or turbo kit and will any of the companies offer a warranty with it?
with my idea, you'd need a little bit of hair gel, and some fake suave.

with the twincharge and or turbo, you'd get almost no support for the aftermarket parts (unless that company has a limited warranty, like mini-mania, but that is only for the parts they put their name on). Even then, you get nothing for the factory, or non-bought parts that may explode upon shaping with pomenade.

Of course, some really nice and cool vendors will help you if it was a blatant fault of the product (ie, helix, randy webb, m7), but most will tell you to go back to your civic with the turbonator.

which bring us back to my idea, which was clearly superior in every way. come on... 70 dorrar!
 
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Old Jan 12, 2005 | 09:30 PM
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WHO cares about the warrenty, if your going the twin charged route then who care's. Put the kit on run the Heck out of it, if it blows rebuild your motor, it's that simple. You have to pay to play! I have had an eagel talon that was putting out over 400hp blew the motor guess what i rebuilt it, i know have a GMC typhoon that is being built, it should be around 650-700 hp it is streetable but if it blows guess what i'll rebuild it, I have my 05' s and will build it up with bolt on's till it blows then guess what i'll rebuild it! It's the cycle of a speed nut! we can't leave anything stock we always are looking for the horsepower......off subject you think the 2.4l pentagon motor will fit in the mini??
 
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Old Jan 12, 2005 | 09:51 PM
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Hi dingos, welcome to NAM! It's been discussed before, but it's a no go, at least it would take some serious work. Here's the most recent discussion:

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...highlight=neon
 
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Old Jan 12, 2005 | 09:54 PM
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Twincharged would beat a turbo hands down IMO. Not even a contest.


Not true a turbo will always will the twincharge guys will tell you that and have said this already they have to limit the size of the turbo they use because it will blow up the supercharger. It may be better if the supercharger had a clutch to shut it off and be bypassed when the turbo kicks in but no one has this setup on a mini yet
 
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Old Jan 13, 2005 | 01:29 AM
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thanks for the welcome!
The ALL turbo set up would be great on a Drag car and would be a fun street car, but i think the twin set-up as a daily driver/rac'n . It's like a mad science experment...!!!
 
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