Oldboy -

Interesting, thanks for that address with the screen.

As for the screen vs. the louvered tray... On an engine (American) I built a while back (for my small Chevy powered Anglia, Drag Racer), I called an oil pan / windage tray / oil tank manufacturer. We had a long talk. While I was set to buy a screen type, he explained to me that the louvered type was much more effective in the oil control on all engines that they tested. They only made the screen types for folks that insisted on them.
Well, while I was "set" on the screen type, my mind "can" be changed with empirical evidence..!

I bought the louvered tray, they also sent me the screen type, AND some dyno readouts on a small Chevy engine with both types of tray installed. Same oil level, same oil, same rpm's. As close as they could come to a direct repeated test.
The readout showed the higher the rpm, the more the solid, louver type worked better. As I recall, from idle to about 3000, it was a tossup. The further up the rpm scale (8000rpm max.), the more the solid tray with louvers "allowed" for less windage losses over the screen.
So yeah, I put the solid tray on the engine.

Mike

 

cooper, this is for you too..!

BMW DOES...think that they work..! Keep talking...
https://www.ecstuning.com/b-genuine-...y/11137557347/

And for the power counter, Mr. Cooper... MUCH more than 1hp will be attained IF done correctly. More comments like this will just show your lack of real time knowledge.

Mike

 

And one for the more intelligent folks that believe that BMW / Mini doesn't think that they are needed...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/33383398174...yABEgKEGvD_BwE

So...what say you now..?
And yeah, tell me that the later engine is different than the first gen. engine and that THEY...need them ! Yeah...I know it's a different engine !

Mike

 

Same rules apply right? Still a combustion engine with pistons and a crankshaft and a wet sump

Also interesting to see that the OEM windage trays have a "intricate" design, rather than the sneed4speed flat design with some cutouts.

 

I will always be a believer in modification for longevity and safety sake. I also have a EA888.3 car (2016 GTI) and it has been modified with an aftermarket catch can that eliminates the OE PCV system that is the root cause of many hard-driven MQB cars and blowing up! Ended up picking up a WMW baffled oil pan for the R53. Keep it sade and keep it fun, y'all!

 

Did you install the Racingline catch can?

 

nd-photo -- That's a part of the Netherlands I'm not familiar with.

 

Yeah, I'm not a fan the the Sneed flat design either. Poorly placed open holes.
Although, I may buy the Sneed trey just to get the outline shape and stamped/drilled holes. I figure that it would cost me more than the amount of buying the trey, just in the time it would take me to hand cut out the periphery and the holes. Then I'll go about coming up with a center piece, and then weld the two together.
I'm figuring it'll still be mostly flat, but it will have a bunch of "directional louvers" (more than one) placed under each crank throw. I'll form my panel / louvers to about .100" to.150" away from the crank shaft at the closest points.
This will do two things. 1. Act as sort of a "scraper" to grab the oil as it slings off of the crank and force it into the sump, and 2. will not be just a big open hole where the oil can slosh back up into the crank area.

I've done this on a drag race car that I built years back. It worked well.

Mike

 

Sorry for the necro-thread.

I'm of two thoughts on this after watching those videos:
1) Having been to several TOTD events and driven hundreds and hundreds of miles in super tight second gear corners behind some crazy *** drivers in well prepared R53s for hours on end at revs between 5000 and 7500RPM I have never even once seen oil smoke puffs from cars powering out of corners or seen one blow up from oil starvation. If lack of a windage tray was an engine danger when driven to the edge then without question, these events would bring it to sharp relief.
2) I said that to say this: When my new "06 JCW hits the garage next month for the 100K tear down that pan from WAY or the ECS tray will be on the list no doubt. Just because it isn't required for engine safety doesn't mean it is without benefit.

 

My opinion of the ESC tray...it's a super quick design, not taking "windage" (whipping oil) facts into account, BUT, it's better than nothing.

I have one sitting...waiting for me cut the center of it out, and add some properly placed, few louvers to let the oil go...smoothly back into the pan, while NOT letting it back up into the fast spinning crankshaft !

Good for you DFTR, for at least, apparently understanding the science behind crankcase windage, and the problems that it causes. Crankcase windage IS...a FACT of engine life, limiting the oil whipping as much as possible can do nothing...but good.

Mike

 

I'm installing the Sneed version on my R50 when I do my next oil change; even more important on the R50 to save every single bit of horsepower. (May consider going with the other version out there that has a teflon scraper and drain tubes, but it's significantly more expensive.) I gotta say to the OP though, you've been pretty rude to other users on here and there's no need for that. Maybe American muscle-heads are used to talking to other people like they're stupid, but this community tends to be a bit more civilized. If you don't want other people talking to YOU like you're stupid, DON'T do it to others.

 

So be it, but when people that unfortunately...haven't a clue...and then "put down" the idea, like they know it ALL...sorry but, if you don't have a clue, and then put something/someone down, like they DO...know what they are talking about...yeah, sorry, but... My parents always told be quiet and learn, THEN, say your piece. Yeah, good words.

(ATK as you know) This is NOT...a new idea, for ANY...high rpm engine. Even the single cylinder, Briggs & Stratton, Jr. Drag Racing kids have oil control in their engines !
The ONLY time when oil control isn't really required, is when the oil level is about 10" from the crankshaft. Otherwise, it's nothing new. The use of a windage tray is beneficial at anything over about 2500rpm. Been around ALL forms of racing since about the 1950's. The crank scraper came into wide spread usage in about the mid-late 1970's.

Dry sump oiling, baffled oil pans, deep oil pans, side kick-out oil pans, solid and screened oil pans, multi-trap door oil pans. ALL...a form of oil control, used in ALL forms of racing, from Jr. Drag Racers, to boat racing.

Sorry for those non-believers that don't understand the oil control concept, but again, if a person gives me, a bad time, about a topic that it's obvious that they no "not" about...I'll say my piece.

ATK -
But...yeah, good to know that least one person in the Mini group, has a knowledgeable clue.

Mike

 

Fair enough.

Good luck with your MINI and all the best!