Drivetrain Intercooler Opinions/Options?
#51
G-plus is even using the Wagner part number to market it on various sites like ebay. Based off the design it looks to be a knockoff of the wagner competition. Frankly my biggest concern would be fin density and end tank design.
I have a wagner competition sitting at my desk and I have contemplated multiple times doing a side by side comparison with logs comparing the performance of the two.
#52
G-plus intercoolers are the bottom of the barrel for replica intercoolers. They hit the market a little over a year ago with the n54/55 crowd. I have seen a couple logs (n54/55) and they do drop IAT's a fair amount but people have fitment issues, QC issues, poor welds, really bad fin density, people stating 1.2 to 2.2 psi pressure drop.
G-plus is even using the Wagner part number to market it on various sites like ebay. Based off the design it looks to be a knockoff of the wagner competition. Frankly my biggest concern would be fin density and end tank design.
I have a wagner competition sitting at my desk and I have contemplated multiple times doing a side by side comparison with logs comparing the performance of the two.
G-plus is even using the Wagner part number to market it on various sites like ebay. Based off the design it looks to be a knockoff of the wagner competition. Frankly my biggest concern would be fin density and end tank design.
I have a wagner competition sitting at my desk and I have contemplated multiple times doing a side by side comparison with logs comparing the performance of the two.
Then return it. I think it has a 30 days return.
#53
I can't see that any of those will give you a major boost, the original JCW 13 Rows is miles ahead of the standard Cooper S, where it makes sense to replace. For any endurance high power, you have to remove condenser and AC which is approx. 8 kgs off and minor hp gain. Than place a customized charge air cooler, or find one ;-) Schirra used on its R56 a AUDI S3 core.
#55
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@ Clutch Wotan or anyone else- how about the option to upgrade to OEM JCW intercooler on an S? Would the difference be worth it? How hard would it be? Any other changes needed, other than the diameter of piping? Hoping that could be solved with an adapter of some kind...
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#60
Wait what? I dont think it needs a new radiator.
Why replace stock with stock? If you are going through the trouble of taking the front end off or paying someone to do it, why put a stock restrictive piece on? Go aftermarket.
#61
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Ok- would be good to know for sure what the differences are. Has anyone done a JCW swap on a S?
I'm concerned about losing throttle response with a bigger unit. So making the assumption that the OEM JCW wouldn't have such issues.
And secondly, cost... if these excellent aftermarket intercoolers were a few hundred bucks, ok. But it's a pretty major purchase. And one that I don't think I'd see the benefit from.
I'm concerned about losing throttle response with a bigger unit. So making the assumption that the OEM JCW wouldn't have such issues.
And secondly, cost... if these excellent aftermarket intercoolers were a few hundred bucks, ok. But it's a pretty major purchase. And one that I don't think I'd see the benefit from.
#62
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Does anyone have a comparison pic of the Stock IC vs. the JCW IC?
Is the stock JCW one that much bigger? I was going to upgrade my JCW one to a Forge but now I'm reading that it isn't that much more of a difference. Hell, I'll save my $900 for other mods. I don't even have the car yet, haha.
Is the stock JCW one that much bigger? I was going to upgrade my JCW one to a Forge but now I'm reading that it isn't that much more of a difference. Hell, I'll save my $900 for other mods. I don't even have the car yet, haha.
#63
Does anyone have a comparison pic of the Stock IC vs. the JCW IC?
Is the stock JCW one that much bigger? I was going to upgrade my JCW one to a Forge but now I'm reading that it isn't that much more of a difference. Hell, I'll save my $900 for other mods. I don't even have the car yet, haha.
Is the stock JCW one that much bigger? I was going to upgrade my JCW one to a Forge but now I'm reading that it isn't that much more of a difference. Hell, I'll save my $900 for other mods. I don't even have the car yet, haha.
JCW vs Wagner JCW intercooler - provides a 30% larger frontal area and 47% more volume compared to the stock intercooler
Cooper S vs Wagner Competition - provides a 53% larger frontal area and 52% more volume compared to the original intercooler
Per forge:
JCW vs Forge JCW intercooler - 31% increase in frontal area over stock and a correspondingly large increase in volume of 41%
Cooper S vs Forge - 63% increase in frontal area over stock and a correspondingly large increase in volume of 57%
#64
Per Wagner:
JCW vs Wagner JCW intercooler - provides a 30% larger frontal area and 47% more volume compared to the stock intercooler
Cooper S vs Wagner Competition - provides a 53% larger frontal area and 52% more volume compared to the original intercooler
Per forge:
JCW vs Forge JCW intercooler - 31% increase in frontal area over stock and a correspondingly large increase in volume of 41%
Cooper S vs Forge - 63% increase in frontal area over stock and a correspondingly large increase in volume of 57%
JCW vs Wagner JCW intercooler - provides a 30% larger frontal area and 47% more volume compared to the stock intercooler
Cooper S vs Wagner Competition - provides a 53% larger frontal area and 52% more volume compared to the original intercooler
Per forge:
JCW vs Forge JCW intercooler - 31% increase in frontal area over stock and a correspondingly large increase in volume of 41%
Cooper S vs Forge - 63% increase in frontal area over stock and a correspondingly large increase in volume of 57%
Good stuff right there! I knew the S to Forge was big, but wow, 63% increase! I love my Forge!
#65
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Per Wagner:
JCW vs Wagner JCW intercooler - provides a 30% larger frontal area and 47% more volume compared to the stock intercooler
Cooper S vs Wagner Competition - provides a 53% larger frontal area and 52% more volume compared to the original intercooler
Per forge:
JCW vs Forge JCW intercooler - 31% increase in frontal area over stock and a correspondingly large increase in volume of 41%
Cooper S vs Forge - 63% increase in frontal area over stock and a correspondingly large increase in volume of 57%
JCW vs Wagner JCW intercooler - provides a 30% larger frontal area and 47% more volume compared to the stock intercooler
Cooper S vs Wagner Competition - provides a 53% larger frontal area and 52% more volume compared to the original intercooler
Per forge:
JCW vs Forge JCW intercooler - 31% increase in frontal area over stock and a correspondingly large increase in volume of 41%
Cooper S vs Forge - 63% increase in frontal area over stock and a correspondingly large increase in volume of 57%
https://www.waymotorworks.com/forge-...s-f55-f56.html
https://www.waymotorworks.com/wagner...5-f56-f57.html
#67
#68
It would be nice if there was some standardized manner of comparing based on, 1) Pressure drop across core, 2) Temperature drop across core and 3) Flow rate through unit. Volume and area don't really give you any performance related info, as you could have a huge volume over stock, which could delay throttle/boost response and the additional surface area may be out of fresh airflow and basically have minimal heat sink effect. Also, remember that if your 'large' core (i.e.- heat sink) does get hot, it will take longer to cool down to create a more beneficial temp drop. For the short time you generally need it, you could go with a CO2 spray kit or even an alcohol/water mister kit on the core or an alcohol injection kit to add some liquid charge cooling.
#69
#70
My guess is all of the various versions would need to be independently tested to find out the true differences between them all, if that is what your goal would be.
#71
It would be nice if there was some standardized manner of comparing based on, 1) Pressure drop across core, 2) Temperature drop across core and 3) Flow rate through unit. Volume and area don't really give you any performance related info, as you could have a huge volume over stock, which could delay throttle/boost response and the additional surface area may be out of fresh airflow and basically have minimal heat sink effect. Also, remember that if your 'large' core (i.e.- heat sink) does get hot, it will take longer to cool down to create a more beneficial temp drop. For the short time you generally need it, you could go with a CO2 spray kit or even an alcohol/water mister kit on the core or an alcohol injection kit to add some liquid charge cooling.
As soon as I have the time I will have a look the new cooling pack for the X2 M.. whatever, it seems with more core width (and depth?) , with a corresponding charger cooler which is not Wagner like.
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