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Old 05-07-2014, 04:50 PM
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Meth injection is a huge plus for those tuning their Mini's, it keep combustion chambers cooler which allows you to choose a more aggressive tune without worrying about melting your piston landings. It will lower your intake temperatures by as much as 20 degrees below ambient.

Lowers intake more than that. Sometimes I'm seeing almost 30F below ambient, so that really is about 50F below what you would see by just running an intercooler. It really is dependent on temperature and humidity. On hot, dry days I see the greatest effect.
 
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Lowers intake more than that. Sometimes I'm seeing almost 30F below ambient, so that really is about 50F below what you would see by just running an intercooler. It really is dependent on temperature and humidity. On hot, dry days I see the greatest effect.
I could only imagine driving from SoCal to Las Vegas when it's 100 degrees fahrenheit outside running even 30 below, I'd be smiling!
 
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John was that your white CMS with the license plate to the right? Had no idea yours was that modded -- definitely a sleeper. Glad to hear you experience the same throttle effect. I haven't gotten the SPS but didn't think I needed it if I'm sticking with just Stg1 for now. I want to do some suspension work before going Stg2.
Oh no that wasn't me. I had the Blue Hatchback! Sorry I left so fast. Been there for a long time. I had to get back on the road to NorCal
 
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Old 05-08-2014, 11:00 AM
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Also, be careful using E85 mixes. I'm going to stop using it. So much gains in the butt dyno but the tune doesn't like it. Had a few "bogs" or "stutters" (not sure what to call it) above 5k rpm boosting close to 20psi. Back to 91 only and runs flawless.
 
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Also, be careful using E85 mixes. I'm going to stop using it. So much gains in the butt dyno but the tune doesn't like it. Had a few "bogs" or "stutters" (not sure what to call it) above 5k rpm boosting close to 20psi. Back to 91 only and runs flawless.
I noticed that too after I filled up with 4 gal of E85 last night. I'm sticking with 91 from now on.
John, were you able to get new spark plugs like Nick suggested? If you did, is your car running better? Nick installed them for me as I got tuned last Saturday.
 
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I noticed that too after I filled up with 4 gal of E85 last night. I'm sticking with 91 from now on. John, were you able to get new spark plugs like Nick suggested? If you did, is your car running better? Nick installed them for me as I got tuned last Saturday.
Honestly just finished putting them on. Just started they car. Seems fine. Going on test ride to see how it goes. They are the ILKR8E6.
 
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Old 05-08-2014, 11:38 AM
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Did he do that as a courtesy? If not, what did he hit you up to install them? I'm debating do it myself if I get home early enough tonight.
It wasn't done as a courtesy but I paid about $25 for them to install them so it was worth it in my eyes.
 
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Originally Posted by johntotah94
Honestly just finished putting them on. Just started they car. Seems fine. Going on test ride to see how it goes. They are the ILKR8E6.
I hope they help.
 
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You can only switch to what was loaded on your DME. In my case, I have three levels of stage 2. I'm told A B and C. A is a slight upgrade from stock and B being my every day tune. And C being a race tune not recommended unless using race fuel or meth.
 
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Theoretically yes. But stage 3 and stage 4 will require some fine tuning. You can be for example, stage 1 and have the stage 2 map loaded. And when you buy all your supporting mods you can switch to it.
 
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Maybe I missed the answer, if you have the tune installed and need to go to the dealer and they do a firmware upgrade will then tune then be set back to factory? I'm not asking a factory warranty question, more like if your windows need the firmware reload which I did need to have done on my 09 or something like that. If the answer is yes, if I purchase the tune, can I also purchase a device like other companies use to reload thru my OBD?
 
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Originally Posted by ke3ee
Maybe I missed the answer, if you have the tune installed and need to go to the dealer and they do a firmware upgrade will then tune then be set back to factory? I'm not asking a factory warranty question, more like if your windows need the firmware reload which I did need to have done on my 09 or something like that. If the answer is yes, if I purchase the tune, can I also purchase a device like other companies use to reload thru my OBD?
Before you first loaded your custom tune you saved a copy of the stock firmware, all you would do is reload the saved stock firmware before taking it into the dealer.
 
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You need to buy a Switch, so you can toggle through your maps. According to Manic, they are $200 US, but they are out for a couple weeks.
 
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If the dealer reflashes the ECU, the Manic tune will no longer exist. You will need to go back to the Manic dealer and have them flash it back.

There is no devise you can buy (affordably) that will allow you to reflash the ECU to the Manic tune.

This info is confirmed by Manic.

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Maybe I missed the answer, if you have the tune installed and need to go to the dealer and they do a firmware upgrade will then tune then be set back to factory? I'm not asking a factory warranty question, more like if your windows need the firmware reload which I did need to have done on my 09 or something like that. If the answer is yes, if I purchase the tune, can I also purchase a device like other companies use to reload thru my OBD?
 
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Yes but what if you have the switch and switch it to the stock map setting. Will it just overwrite that portion...or the whole thing, inevitably deleting everything?
Switching it to the stock setting is just that... just a switch. You can switch it back and forth to any map loaded at will. It doesn't rewrite anything.
 
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To be clear, Manic loads the ECU with 4 tunes:
1. Stock Tune
2. Performance tune A - Conservative tune
3. Performance tune B - Everyday tune (provided you are running with the gas, meth, etc. it was tuned with)
4. Performance tune C- Race tune (race gas, meth, whatever it takes to keep the mini happy at the more aggressive tune)
 
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Originally Posted by CPap
If the dealer reflashes the ECU, the Manic tune will no longer exist. You will need to go back to the Manic dealer and have them flash it back.

There is no devise you can buy (affordably) that will allow you to reflash the ECU to the Manic tune.

This info is confirmed by Manic.

That is the answer I was looking for. Thank you. Until we can flash locally and being there is no dealer in my city I will wait.
 
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It flashes the whole ECU so you would have to go back to your tuner and get reflashed.
 
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No no no, I meant if you use the switch to put it in stock mode...and then the dealer reflashes you, does the dealer's flash only rewrite the stock map or does it overwrite the entire ECU so you lose the Manic tune?

Sorry if I'm being confusing. I suck.

hahaha. no worries man! The only thing that sucks is being at work today. ha!

No matter what mode you are in, when the dealer flashes the ecu, the entire thing gets written over. So, you would need to have the Manic dealer reflash it back.
 
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