Drivetrain How do you get 0-60 in less than 5.5 seoncds?
I do drive a M3. E36 M3. Just wondering if I should just sell it and get a mini. One car max for me. The warranty makes it tempting since mine is already gone. I know in the handaling department its not downgrading but 0-60 and smaller engine are. 15s are too small for me. I thought bigger rims are better? But at what weight? Is it really that hard to get below 5.5 without killing the tranny?
I was thinking 15% pulley, lighter exhaust, intake, lighter rims, straight pipe. What else?
I was thinking 15% pulley, lighter exhaust, intake, lighter rims, straight pipe. What else?
Well, my MCS does the 1/4 mile in 14.7 @ 96 and the 0-60 is 6.5 s. Shaving another second would take quite a bit more power and traction.
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Put in a 2.0L vtec or turbo engine or similar engine. I am only an arm chair mechanic, but I just do not see it out of this engine. Financially I think you would be better off fitting in a different engine than $10-15K in modifications to get to the same point.
If you don't mind waiting a year or two (wait list):
http://www.puresportscar.com/
Depending on the age and condition of your M3, you might be able to use the proceeds to buy one of these outright. Mid-engine, rear-wheel drive on a very rigid and incredibly light 160 lb chassis...
I think it does 0-60 at 4.9 - stock.
I love the MINI, but if the 5.5 is a go/no-go deal breaker, the MINI might not be for you. You should drive one first though - if you have not yet. I've driven and had faster rides, but nothing this fun!
If you were willing to drop a 200+ pounds on an MCS (2,400 pound range), and step it up 240+ hp (quite doable - jlm is there), I think you'll be in the ballpark though...
http://www.puresportscar.com/
Depending on the age and condition of your M3, you might be able to use the proceeds to buy one of these outright. Mid-engine, rear-wheel drive on a very rigid and incredibly light 160 lb chassis...
I think it does 0-60 at 4.9 - stock.
I love the MINI, but if the 5.5 is a go/no-go deal breaker, the MINI might not be for you. You should drive one first though - if you have not yet. I've driven and had faster rides, but nothing this fun!
If you were willing to drop a 200+ pounds on an MCS (2,400 pound range), and step it up 240+ hp (quite doable - jlm is there), I think you'll be in the ballpark though...
The 5.5 is more then doable with or M7/venom kit. add larger 400cc injectors. The black valve and
I gurantee 5.5 sec or less. If you have an 15% pulley use the green valve ....Holly moly.
Peter horvath
Team M7
562-712-3270
I gurantee 5.5 sec or less. If you have an 15% pulley use the green valve ....Holly moly.
Peter horvath
Team M7
562-712-3270
>>Just like the topic says but without removing any of the interior. Please and thank you.
Depends how much you have to spend and if you want it to be smog legal. Best bet, buy an EVO or STI for under 30k. Save yourself a lot a headaches and have a warranty to boot.
Depends how much you have to spend and if you want it to be smog legal. Best bet, buy an EVO or STI for under 30k. Save yourself a lot a headaches and have a warranty to boot.
Hye andy, that second picture down on your site.... is that the magnaflow exhaust? I havent really seen any good pictures of it, but it looks really nice.... much better than the borla which was my second choice. Now, all I need is this stupid PAYCHECK and the exhaust is on the way :smile:
>>15s are too small for me. I thought bigger rims are better? But at what weight? Is it really that hard to get below 5.5 without killing the tranny?
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Why would bigger rims be better? The problem of getting to 5.5 isn't the tranny handling the torque, but I believe it's because the tranny isn't geared for the fastest 0-60 acceleration at all.
>>I was thinking 15% pulley, lighter exhaust, intake, lighter rims, straight pipe. What else?
Maybe get a header, ECU upgrade, and get some great suspension pieces while you're at it! Then the 0-60 wouldn't matter for jack!
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Why would bigger rims be better? The problem of getting to 5.5 isn't the tranny handling the torque, but I believe it's because the tranny isn't geared for the fastest 0-60 acceleration at all.
>>I was thinking 15% pulley, lighter exhaust, intake, lighter rims, straight pipe. What else?
Maybe get a header, ECU upgrade, and get some great suspension pieces while you're at it! Then the 0-60 wouldn't matter for jack!
If from inception 0-60 were a priority for BMW's MINI, the times could have been improved with more ideal gearing. But the Mini was never really about this type of performance, at least by design...
Without gutting the interior, and increasing output, one could have their 2,600 lb MCS with 240 hp, which puts it at a 10.83 weight to hp ratio. That is actually better than a stock STi at 10.87 (3263/300). If one is willing/able to change the gearing to focus down low, then an MCS could most certainly be a better 0-60 competitor.
I personally like more giddy-up in the 70-100 range, where the MCS excels more so already...
Without gutting the interior, and increasing output, one could have their 2,600 lb MCS with 240 hp, which puts it at a 10.83 weight to hp ratio. That is actually better than a stock STi at 10.87 (3263/300). If one is willing/able to change the gearing to focus down low, then an MCS could most certainly be a better 0-60 competitor.
I personally like more giddy-up in the 70-100 range, where the MCS excels more so already...
>> That is actually better than a stock STi at 10.87 (3263/300). >>
yeah, but that sti gets its power to the ground WAY better than any 2 FWD drive mini is going to................
ditto to M7s "guarantee"
yeah, but that sti gets its power to the ground WAY better than any 2 FWD drive mini is going to................
ditto to M7s "guarantee"
Andy you know wery well that I do not dragrace...period
But would you not say that 0-60 in 6 seconds is more then attainable with normal tuning ?
Now add a (you chose) 30-50-75- 100 hp.......5.5 second is very attainable....
And I guarantee it Flyboy..
peter horvath
Team M7
562-712-3270
But would you not say that 0-60 in 6 seconds is more then attainable with normal tuning ?
Now add a (you chose) 30-50-75- 100 hp.......5.5 second is very attainable....
And I guarantee it Flyboy..
peter horvath
Team M7
562-712-3270
flyboy, indeed, the awd will get better traction. That is the benefit given the added weight, and driveline loss associated with awd. But fwd can more than take care of 5.5 seconds. Case and point is the fwd SRT with a weight to hp ratio of 12.6+ (2900 pounds at 230 stock hp) with reports of 0-60 at 5.6. Get that baby in the 10 range like the proposed MCS (above) or stock STi, and it would shatter 5.5...
While traction no doubt helps in such a road test, gearing is what ultimately keeps this car from 5.5.
While traction no doubt helps in such a road test, gearing is what ultimately keeps this car from 5.5.
>>>The warranty makes it tempting since mine is already gone.
When you mod stuff to go fast(er), components tend to lose their longevity. This level of modding is going to void warranty coverage of many of those MINI components. So why not just keep the M3 and mod it?
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When you mod stuff to go fast(er), components tend to lose their longevity. This level of modding is going to void warranty coverage of many of those MINI components. So why not just keep the M3 and mod it?
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>>Let me rephrase the question. Have you ever measured a 0-60 time of 5.5 seconds or less using your nitrous kit?
Yes I messured the car without nitrous got a 6.1 second 0-60.......now add 50-75hp and
5.5 is more then attainable. I do not understand why a Mini should not be able to do that
the SRT can do it and more then a fair share of Hondas can do it to.
peter
Yes I messured the car without nitrous got a 6.1 second 0-60.......now add 50-75hp and
5.5 is more then attainable. I do not understand why a Mini should not be able to do that
the SRT can do it and more then a fair share of Hondas can do it to.
peter
>>>>Let me rephrase the question. Have you ever measured a 0-60 time of 5.5 seconds or less using your nitrous kit?
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>>Yes I messured the car without nitrous got a 6.1 second 0-60.......now add 50-75hp and
>>5.5 is more then attainable. I do not understand why a Mini should not be able to do that
>>the SRT can do it and more then a fair share of Hondas can do it to.
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>>peter
So, you HAVE measured a 0-60 time of 5.5 seconds or less using your nitrous kit or you HAVEN'T. Typically, the word "Yes" indicates an affirmative, but your other words indicate you haven't done that. :???:
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>>Yes I messured the car without nitrous got a 6.1 second 0-60.......now add 50-75hp and
>>5.5 is more then attainable. I do not understand why a Mini should not be able to do that
>>the SRT can do it and more then a fair share of Hondas can do it to.
>>
>>peter
So, you HAVE measured a 0-60 time of 5.5 seconds or less using your nitrous kit or you HAVEN'T. Typically, the word "Yes" indicates an affirmative, but your other words indicate you haven't done that. :???:


