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Old Dec 6, 2012 | 02:14 PM
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Evolve R tuning

Hey there guys,
Has anyone used the Evolve R tuning software? have you had any problems with them? reason i ask is i bought the product and sent them my std tune to modify and its been 5 days and still they have not sent it back. i did follow it up but nothing yet.
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Old Dec 6, 2012 | 02:17 PM
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countryboyshane has it I believe.
 
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Old Dec 6, 2012 | 03:48 PM
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I HAVE BEEN SUMMONED!

I've had their tune on my car for the past year. I love it.

They are a really busy company and if you've only dropped some e-mails they may be behind. I recommend calling the shop in the UK directly and they'll gladly help. Imran and his team worked with me over the phone and remote desktop to help me out with some computer issues. They are a great company. Give them a call tomorrow morning and ask for help.

THAT HAS BEEN MY WORD!
 
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Old Dec 6, 2012 | 06:54 PM
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Same as above. Love their tune. Don't worry they are 100% legit. Probably busy.
 
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Old Dec 6, 2012 | 08:34 PM
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Old Dec 7, 2012 | 12:18 PM
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can anyone comment on their catless downpipe? Is there a reason it's SUBSTANTIALLY cheaper than, say, the one Way sells?
 
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Old Dec 7, 2012 | 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by timwu13
can anyone comment on their catless downpipe? Is there a reason it's SUBSTANTIALLY cheaper than, say, the one Way sells?
It is because of the lack of a catalytic converter, especially the high speed, fast and furious, teflon coated ones in the better DP's.
 
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Old Dec 7, 2012 | 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Melangell
It is because of the lack of a catalytic converter, especially the high speed, fast and furious, teflon coated ones in the better DP's.
Nope, I'm talking about this one:

http://www.waymotorworks.com/wmw-cat...8-r59-r60.html

He sells it for $400+, and the Evolve pipe is like less than half of that cost at 100 something GBP.
 
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Old Dec 7, 2012 | 03:57 PM
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I went online and found Evolve catless pipes from £149 to £229, so...

Way claims better quality and knowing Way, I would believe him. (I'm sorry, I didn't realize you were talking about Way's catless one earlier)

I did a little more searching and found one carless downpipe for $1226!!!
 
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Old Dec 8, 2012 | 07:27 AM
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Hmm I'm not sure why Evolve's pipe is so much cheaper than Way's. I know Way guarantees that his pipe will fit to the OEM exhaust and it has a thicker flange that bolts to the turbo. Evolve's may be designed to work best with their own exhaust. You'd have to call them and ask. They certainly aren't in the business of making garbage like some other companies out there.
 
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Old Dec 8, 2012 | 08:02 AM
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That's what I figured, Shane!

Btw, both packages came in yesterday! Off to install my RSB and belts! Thanks again!!
 
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Old Dec 8, 2012 | 08:47 AM
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Good luck Tim!
 
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Old Dec 8, 2012 | 01:59 PM
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thanks for you replies guys, my tune finally arrived so I'm in the adaptive period but it does seem more lively so far. It just would have been more comforting knowing that they got my tune by at least sending a reply email saying sorry for the inconvenience but we are snowed under and there may be a couple of days delay.
but happy so far.
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Old Dec 8, 2012 | 03:06 PM
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Sweet, Mick! I'm planning on getting Way's exhaust manifold installed and then NM's tune after I recover from the exhaust costs.
 
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Old Dec 8, 2012 | 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by R56_JCW
thanks for you replies guys, my tune finally arrived so I'm in the adaptive period but it does seem more lively so far. It just would have been more comforting knowing that they got my tune by at least sending a reply email saying sorry for the inconvenience but we are snowed under and there may be a couple of days delay.
but happy so far.
mick
Man, 3rd & 4th gear are NIGHT and DAY after the tune. Wake up at 3am and take some time for a joy ride.
 
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Old Dec 9, 2012 | 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by countryboyshane
Man, 3rd & 4th gear are NIGHT and DAY after the tune. Wake up at 3am and take some time for a joy ride.
Do you monitor boost pressure? I have had Evolve tuning on my JCW for over a year and no complaints, in 3rd and above it is a monster... Hits 24psi sustained!

But in 1st and 2nd the car is no faster than stock, and boost is limited to ~18psi. I have done roll-ons up steep grade with heavy passenger in cool temps after driving easy at high speed to make sure it wasnt an IAT issue (have upgraded intercooler too) and get same result, it isn't traction or spool-up time related (or IAT).

I had emailed Evolve but they were unaware of any ECU safety factors related to gearing but there must be something going on. It would be comforting to know if they all do this.
 
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Old Dec 9, 2012 | 11:15 PM
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Will evolve code out CELs? (Like, for a catless downpipe?)
 
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Old Dec 10, 2012 | 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by turbo diesel
Do you monitor boost pressure? I have had Evolve tuning on my JCW for over a year and no complaints, in 3rd and above it is a monster... Hits 24psi sustained!

But in 1st and 2nd the car is no faster than stock, and boost is limited to ~18psi. I have done roll-ons up steep grade with heavy passenger in cool temps after driving easy at high speed to make sure it wasnt an IAT issue (have upgraded intercooler too) and get same result, it isn't traction or spool-up time related (or IAT).

I had emailed Evolve but they were unaware of any ECU safety factors related to gearing but there must be something going on. It would be comforting to know if they all do this.
I don't have a JCW, so mine peaks at about 14-15psi in 1st and 2nd, and then it's onto full glory 18psi MAX for my standard MCS. I've always thought there was some internal limit based on gearing. I can't look at calibrations so I can't know for sure.

I'm surprised you're tires aren't slipping at 18psi of boost in 2nd gear!

Maybe my turbo will blow someday so I can have a good excuse to upgrade to the JCW turbo :-P
 
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Old Dec 10, 2012 | 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by countryboyshane
I don't have a JCW, so mine peaks at about 14-15psi in 1st and 2nd, and then it's onto full glory 18psi MAX for my standard MCS. I've always thought there was some internal limit based on gearing. I can't look at calibrations so I can't know for sure.

I'm surprised you're tires aren't slipping at 18psi of boost in 2nd gear!

Maybe my turbo will blow someday so I can have a good excuse to upgrade to the JCW turbo :-P
What, if any changes to the boost would you make with a JCW turbo? Would you keep the boost limits the same (i.e., 15 psi in 1st and 2nd, 18 psi thereafter)? If so, what advantage would the JCW turbo offer?

Genuine questions; not meant to be rhetorical or argumentative.
 
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Old Dec 10, 2012 | 08:00 PM
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it hits 20psi max on my regular MCS with the mods below. Mine did pull hard on all gears. noticeable differences... will try the first and second....and report back.

I had some abnormal popping\hesatiation on 3rd gear right after the tune, back then, I was using Denso sparkplug, then, I changed to JCW plugs and the issue is gone...

running for about a year...so far so good. You have a choice to code out CELL when u order it.
 
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Old Dec 11, 2012 | 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by donuttang
it hits 20psi max on my regular MCS with the mods below. Mine did pull hard on all gears. noticeable differences... will try the first and second....and report back.

I had some abnormal popping\hesatiation on 3rd gear right after the tune, back then, I was using Denso sparkplug, then, I changed to JCW plugs and the issue is gone...

running for about a year...so far so good. You have a choice to code out CELL when u order it.
Interesting. If one can achieve 20 psi without a JCW, and one would be ill-advised to go above 20 psi for sake of the pistons, what is benefit of the JCW turbo on an S? Or is there one?
 
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Old Dec 11, 2012 | 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Hujan
Interesting. If one can achieve 20 psi without a JCW, and one would be ill-advised to go above 20 psi for sake of the pistons, what is benefit of the JCW turbo on an S? Or is there one?
Mine has peaked at 20psi but only for a small moment. Not continuous.

The JCW turbo flows a higher volume of air than the standard MCS turbo. More air, more fuel, more power/torque. Keep in mind, the factory JCW engines have a lower compression ratio which tolerates the higher boost pressure better than a stock MCS engine. It's a roll of the dice putting a JCW turbo on a standard MCS engine. In my opinion, it's not worth the fear of causing major headaches down the road. I would rather have a reliable car at the track than to be thinking if my pistons are going to give out and get towed home

I think someday down the road when I need to replace the engine a JCW engine swap would be a reliable and fantastic upgrade.
 
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Old Dec 11, 2012 | 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by countryboyshane
Mine has peaked at 20psi but only for a small moment. Not continuous.

The JCW turbo flows a higher volume of air than the standard MCS turbo. More air, more fuel, more power/torque. Keep in mind, the factory JCW engines have a lower compression ratio which tolerates the higher boost pressure better than a stock MCS engine. It's a roll of the dice putting a JCW turbo on a standard MCS engine. In my opinion, it's not worth the fear of causing major headaches down the road. I would rather have a reliable car at the track than to be thinking if my pistons are going to give out and get towed home

I think someday down the road when I need to replace the engine a JCW engine swap would be a reliable and fantastic upgrade.
Thanks for the helpful post, CBS.

I agree with your premise regarding reliability and agree that it is important to be mindful about the differences in the fJCW's internals, but may I ask a follow up question just for educational purposes?

Does the higher flow of the JCW mean that it will produce more power/torque at the same boost levels than an S turbo? In other words, is the JCW turbo's ability to produce more power independent of its boost-producing capabilities? I think no, but thought I'd ask.
 
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Old Dec 11, 2012 | 08:13 PM
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Speaking of turbos, I've been all over Alta's site and see nothing of their turbo. I see it offered by some others. Are they still making it?
 
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Old Dec 12, 2012 | 02:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Hujan
Does the higher flow of the JCW mean that it will produce more power/torque at the same boost levels than an S turbo? In other words, is the JCW turbo's ability to produce more power independent of its boost-producing capabilities? I think no, but thought I'd ask.
A simple answer is no; more boost = more air = more potential power. A lower comp ratio will lower the power of the engine all else equal, but then you can run more boost which makes it a net sum gain.

If the JCW turbo flows better it MAY slightly reduce intake air temps for an equal boost level which would give more power (lower temps= denser air= more potential power), but this would be negligible unless it is a big delta.

A JCW turbo on an S would allow you to run more boost than the standard S without overworking the turbo as much.
 
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