M7 wrote:
What about the piston area in the caliper? Since your pad area is presumably much larger, keeping the same size piston will result in reduced braking force. There was a good article in GRM this month about aftermarket brake kits and how to design/set them up correctly.

 

Have you not noticed people putting HRE wheels, JCW kits and Brembos on their MINI's? Why not an even higher-end brake kit?

 

>>Its a mini not a Enzo. Good luck selling those

sourgrapes. I guess it's easier to poo poo it if you can't afford it.

 

>>>>Its a mini not a Enzo. Good luck selling those
>>
>>sourgrapes. I guess it's easier to poo poo it if you can't afford it.

See my post on the "wing" thread. This is a perfect illustration of not seeing value in a product because it doesn't fit a particular lifestyle.

 

Could these be designed with a steel rotor, reducing the price in exchange for an increase in unsprung weight? I need new brakes - but not $3000 worth! Good work Peter!

 

There are some who will say why even mod a MINI... it's a MINI, FWD, etc.... But, many of us do, and enjoy it! I'm not one to criticize that logic at some point in its evolution (like now), as compared to before. We all have our fine lines as to when enough is enough...

Some will be content with an intake and exhaust, while others will seek more power with a reduced pulley, as others will further try to refine the susupension and/or braking. The sky is the limit, and Peter shot for the stars with this offering, as he tends to do. I think he said that this would not be for everyone...

We have many vendors that offer great products for the growing masses of MINI owners. It is at these places where one can choose from a selection of sway bars, intakes, exhaust systems, etc. If Peter were to offer an intake or an exhaust, as an example, I would venture to guess that it would be notably different, or a first to mkt, unique in some way, like these brakes, in this instance.

I for one am thankful that we have someone willing to think big for this small, sub 20k car. I like knowing that the option is there, and that I can expect more new and exciting, cutting-edge products...

 

>>Its a mini not a Enzo. Good luck selling those

You got to pay to play!

 

Peter,

Please, Please, Please, update your website. You have way too many cool products to only have them as posts on this website. I am running out of room cataloging all of your posts.

Please put them on your website, so I can have one place to drool.

A lot of people say why spend so much money on a brake kit for a $20K car. Well the Mini is such an excellent platform, and while it sells for $20K , we all know the capabilities of the car exceed price. A little more money added to this car make it great, and more money makes it even greater.

 

Performance-wise, would this single mod be comparable to a big brakes kit with steel rotors + lightweight flywheel, but without the wierd noises!?

 

>>Performance-wise, would this single mod be comparable to a big brakes kit with steel rotors + lightweight flywheel, but without the wierd noises!?>>

Hi Hubert.....

No it would not compare, the idea with these light weight rotors and calipers is to reduce the unsprung weight
giving better handling as you are putting less stress and weight on your suspesion. If you would imagine your wheels
moving up and down reacting to undulations and other changes in the road, the less weight there is(mass), the easier and faster your suspension can move and follow the road. It will also make your steering faster and more sensitive
to minute inputs from the driver.

Now getting a lighter fly wheel is a great idea taking 15lbs off the front of the car is great and to top it off your car will react on throttle input with verve :smile:

here's a link to a discussion on my new flywheel.
https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...forum=35&8

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I don't know squiggly about performance, but this stuff is bee-a-u-tiful!

 

My Stoptech brakes outbrake 911's at the track.. and they were less than 1800.00. What more do you need?

I have spent over 15k on this car in performance mods so I am not afraid to spend money. I can however tell you that I didn’t get wealthy by writing checks. My point here does the extra performance really warrant the cost? Is there a performance increase vs other aftermarket brakes Data?. What about brake man brakes for the Mini, awesome design but show me who owns a set?

Building a car is not about putting the biggest badest looking parts on your car but a balance to make it all work and have money left over for the next mod

 

HOW MUCH DO STOPTECHS WEIGHT?

also, $1800 is a rip off for stoptechs

 

really, where are you getting them cheaper?

PS: that cost was with the better pads also in RED, Black were cheaper for some reason.

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I'm hooked up through TMMZ :smile:

 

and the cost?

By the way I am not sure on the weight.. I am sure we can find out though. The weight issue for rotational force really only applies to the turning surface like the rotor.

You could get stoptechs and a set of 7 poud rims for the price of these M7 brakes.

 

Here is a question for the experts. If you had a ceramic rotor and it cracked would it shatter like a ceramic pot leaving you with no brakes and a very bad day?

 

>>awesome design but show me who owns a set?

No one has them! They just came out. They are TiCer and have proven themselves on other vehicles.

>>and the cost?
A very good price Its almost half of what you paid...WITH The Red. And who makes 7lb wheels?

well if you bought pure ceramic brakes I have some Beach Property in Az for ya!

 

Peter, thanks for your explanation :smile:



Here's some info on the weights of brake components that I posted at Mini2:

I've recently gathered some weight data (per corner) from three of the big brake manufacturers, namely, AP, Tar-Ox and Stoptech:

Stock
Caliper 3.4kg
Integrated rotor 5.3kg

AP 4-pot 330mm x 28mm discs
Caliper 2.6kg
Rotor 4.9kg (weight of bell not provided, 1kg maybe?)

Stoptech 4-pot 328mm x 28mm discs
Caliper (ST-40) 3.75kg
Aluminum hat and rotor 6.2kg

Tar-Ox 10-pot 318mm x 26mm discs
Caliper (B32-10) 2.3kg
Aluminum hat and rotor 7.28kg

Common bits:
Bracket 0.5kg
Brake pads 1.1kg

 

hubert, well done, nice data.

rfibanez,

No brake man brakes is what I was referring to :http://www.thebrakeman.com/stormkitlist

No one has them though.


I call the BS card on the half price deal for stoptech, I happened to see dealer cost sheets at SEMA and its no where near that.

PS: Volk makes some great 7 and 8 pound 16" rims.

 

Peter, it is my understanding that TiC rotors generate a LOT of heat. Are you working on a brake duct option?

 

Call the BS card all you want...Stoptech is Tier 3 sponser of Team MMZ.

I'm aware of various volk models but I dont know of a 16" volk wheel thats 7lbs. Maybe a 14"-15" wheel. list the Volk Model #'s

 

>>No brake man brakes is what I was referring to :http://www.thebrakeman.com/stormkitlist
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>>No one has them though.
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hmm wave rotor, same principle as on a race bike no? (larger surface area and lower rotating mass) I thought I saw a set on the Diamond racing CVT. I know I have a pic somewhere.. but not sure if it was on the CVT, on Einstein's "S" , or on a VR6 at the last SoCal Euro meet. (can't remember, getting old, memory fading from last year)

 

I would STILL like to know if the M7 calipers can be used with steel rotors. It would be nice to have an option for something that fits under 16" wheels and is price competitive.

 

I have 16" Volks on my MCS. I researched much a few months ago when I got them, and the lightest they offered was the CE28Ns. They weigh-in at 10.75lbs. Their 37 series wheels are just over 11lbs. Either way, I did not find anything lighter, domestically or abroad... in 16's.

Couple this with a light, high quality tire, as well as rotor, also a rotating mass, and significant performance (suspension/handling, braking and accelearation) gains are had.

Price is a factor and serious consideration for many in getting wheels, as well other mods, including these. Not being an expert on these materials as utilized here, it appears that they have longevity over other rotors that I often hear of others replacing, or resurfacing, after continured use/abuse. If that is indeed true, then that will be a plus and help negate the higher cost for some who drive their MINIs hard. I know that I will buy a more expensive item due to its quality alone so I won't have to get another one until much later, or never again. And if that item is also better in terms of what it offers as well (features & benefits), then it is bound to receive serious attention...

I believe that most of us have our own "goals" for what our MINIs will be when they grow-up. And in striving to get there, we all have our own cost/benefit analysis to grapple with. There's no right or wrong here.... just preference. Enjoy! :smile: