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Old Dec 7, 2010 | 03:54 PM
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New FORGE BOV any input?

So did anyone order or install the NEW forge bov?
It looks good but i want to see the install....

Anyone have input on this BOV?

 

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Old Dec 7, 2010 | 04:47 PM
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Not yet but I would like to know!
 
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Old Dec 7, 2010 | 07:07 PM
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OK i found a PDF on the install and it looks like a snap.
Going to order one, but not sure when i am going to install considering the 20 degree weather over here.
 
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Old Dec 7, 2010 | 07:39 PM
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forge also makes a bolt on. Like this-
http://www.outmotoring.com/mini-coop...e_adapter.html
 
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Old Dec 7, 2010 | 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by automan21
forge also makes a bolt on. Like this-
http://www.outmotoring.com/mini-coop...e_adapter.html
Yes, that one is known to throw a check engine light so FORGE came out with this new and improved one.
 
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Forge had my car to test fit this valve and also their hoses as they were developed without Forge having their test Mini anymore. So they fitted them on mine to check fitment and I got to keep them.

Being in the UK I cannot comment on how they handle the heat as it is freezing here at the moment. And all this was done around the same time as fitting a Milltek turbo back and Bilstein PSS10 coilovers so car is now a different animal.
 
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Old Dec 8, 2010 | 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by MattyKHZ
Forge had my car to test fit this valve and also their hoses as they were developed without Forge having their test Mini anymore. So they fitted them on mine to check fitment and I got to keep them.

Being in the UK I cannot comment on how they handle the heat as it is freezing here at the moment. And all this was done around the same time as fitting a Milltek turbo back and Bilstein PSS10 coilovers so car is now a different animal.
How does the car sound with this BOV?
Do you also have the forge spacer?
 
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Old Dec 8, 2010 | 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by ALSCRX
So did anyone order or install the NEW forge bov?
It looks good but i want to see the install....

Anyone have input on this BOV?

So is this set up available or still under developement? Im looking to get a bov and this one seems to be the easiest and safest one.
 
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Old Dec 8, 2010 | 04:11 PM
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so how does this differ from the HKS BOV? https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...off-valve.html
 
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Old Dec 8, 2010 | 04:33 PM
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Anyone have a sound clip of this BOV?
 
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Old Dec 8, 2010 | 05:45 PM
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i have the original forge bov that is just the plate at low rpms and not under hard boost it is a pssshh sound but under boost it flutters. it was an easy install three bolts but im not sure about the new one.
 
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Old Dec 8, 2010 | 05:57 PM
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Way Motor Works made a Vendor announcement about it this week:

https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...-of-valve.html

 
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i have this piece installed on my car.... it's a GREAT piece... was running the upgraded piece from WMW but this is an upgrade to that... it's a wonderful piece! sounds really good too. won't leak like the stock one and since it maintains the stock ECU control over bleed it is extremely fast in all it's responses, aided of course by the fact that it's also mechanical AND electronic. i have some pics if anyone needs it.... and it holds 20psi with ease (i'm running a Hybrid K03/04 turbo).

in terms of daily driving, it's smoother than the stock ones, quicker to build boost after a shift, and since the moving part isn't in the normal place, this thing just won't fail.

comes with two springs as well so i'm running the stiffer one, but the one that comes in it to begin with is a great spring for 90% of people out there. it really smooths out the transitions, lets a nice little whine out when you're at part throttle on the highway too (you know, when you're moving but still at light vacuum rather than on boost)

it's also cheaper.... AND it won't throw a CEL because it's recirculating the air which the ecu likes rather than loosing it to atmosphere which it has been found the car doesn't like after a while. however, who knows, maybe the forge vta spacer piece will work better now... i personally don't see any need for it, unless you're some kinda track junkie who is worried about heat in the intake pre turbo section from the recirculated air... i don't think it'd be a problem personally but its more of a personal preference thing. they also provide longer stud pieces for if you have the forge spacer already... and the boost tap they give you is top notch as well.


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so how does this differ from the HKS BOV? https://www.northamericanmotoring.co...off-valve.html
Difference between this and that is the HKS SSQ BOV vents to atmosphere and is mechanical, meaning it doesn't have any electronic control... it's off only boost/vacuum..

The Forge piece maintains the Electronic (ecu) control over when the valve opens or closes, it recirculates boost from post compressor to pre compressor because it's located ON the turbo rather than the cold side boost tube like the HKS piece. however the part that makes the Forge mechanical as well as electronic is the ECU tells it when to open and close, but rather than using an electrical current to open or close the piece, it simply opens up the boost/vacuum supply to make it open/close faster...
 

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Old Dec 8, 2010 | 06:12 PM
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If you like "look at me!" sounds that make the Honda kids envious, and have money to burn, by all means buy this thing.
 
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Old Dec 8, 2010 | 06:25 PM
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If you like "look at me!" sounds that make the Honda kids envious, and have money to burn, by all means buy this thing.
it's not any louder than stock really... if you're running a stock or stock modified intake you won't hear it anymore than usual. it's just a more robust piece vs the stock piece because a) it's metal, b) mechanical, c) less parts so less can go wrong, d) still ecu controlled, e) you can leave the one piece plugged in so ecu still likes, but just have it run straight to the manifold so it's JUST mechanical.
 
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Old Dec 8, 2010 | 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by 08cooperSblack
i have the original forge bov that is just the plate at low rpms and not under hard boost it is a pssshh sound but under boost it flutters. it was an easy install three bolts but im not sure about the new one.
^^^The spacer/adapter one right? Have you had any problems with it like throwing codes or a cel?
 
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Old Dec 8, 2010 | 08:06 PM
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^^^The spacer/adapter one right? Have you had any problems with it like throwing codes or a cel?
+1 on that question... i've heard both yes and no and would like to know (more specifically between 07 and 09 models because of the different ecus between the model years)
 
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Old Dec 8, 2010 | 08:06 PM
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We were the first in the US to get these and have customers using them. All the customers that have them have been reporting back they love em. The biggest thing everyone has reported is smoother throttle responce. And NO check engine lights.

We have not installed the valve with the BOV adapter spacer yet. We wanted to test the valve on it's own first. Soon we'll be combining them, but with the adapter spacer you WILL get more noise.

Also we have worked a deal with Forge to offer it at a special price of $219
http://www.waymotorworks.com/product...8&cat=0&page=1
 
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Originally Posted by ALSCRX
How does the car sound with this BOV?
Do you also have the forge spacer?
When they were fitting they asked how I wanted it to sound. I said I did not want to hear a dump valve sound so they said fine and left the spacer off. Stated it would work in the same way I just wouldn't hear it.

I was also told that I can ask them for a Yellow spring to fit in it when I get my FMIC and Stage 3 remap.
 
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Old Dec 9, 2010 | 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by dunphyj
it's not any louder than stock really... if you're running a stock or stock modified intake you won't hear it anymore than usual. it's just a more robust piece vs the stock piece because a) it's metal, b) mechanical, c) less parts so less can go wrong, d) still ecu controlled, e) you can leave the one piece plugged in so ecu still likes, but just have it run straight to the manifold so it's JUST mechanical.
So what's the benefit? I've **never** heard of a stock valve failing, ever. So why pay for a "more robust piece", and how do we know that it's actually more reliable?

It's there for the "cool noise" and nothing more. There's no performance benefit, and no proven better reliability. That's enough for some people to want one, and more power to them. But anybody who thinks they're getting something more than a sound bump are fooling themselves.
 
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Originally Posted by KevinC
So what's the benefit? I've **never** heard of a stock valve failing, ever. So why pay for a "more robust piece", and how do we know that it's actually more reliable?

It's there for the "cool noise" and nothing more. There's no performance benefit, and no proven better reliability. That's enough for some people to want one, and more power to them. But anybody who thinks they're getting something more than a sound bump are fooling themselves.
The stock DV's have been known to fail, especially on those of us running 20psi/bigger turbos. They also don't open and close as fast as they could when running high amounts of boost, especially over time.

It's a misnomer to call this a BOV....it doesn't vent to atmosphere. I think you're getting this new "bov," which is actually an upgraded version of the stock-style DV or BPV...confused with the VTA type that make noise and do more harm than good. This one WILL provide benefit.
 

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Old Dec 10, 2010 | 10:24 AM
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Originally Posted by ThumperMCS
the VTA type that make noise and do more harm than good...
is this a known fact and what type of harm will it do to the engine? i've had my HKS unit for close to 50,000 miles and have not triggered any CELs
 
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Old Dec 11, 2010 | 05:23 AM
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ive had the forge plate for 10,000 miles and no cels on my 08 mcs
 
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What is the benefit with this one vs the WMW version?
 
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Old Dec 12, 2010 | 05:59 AM
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What is the benefit with this one vs the WMW version?
Good question...
 
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