While I agree that your prediction is probably correct and I respect your opinion, I for one, don't care to wait.

Saving a possible 50.00 bucks (at best??) isn't worth the wait for me personally.

I'd just as soon bite the bullet and buy it now.

My .02 worth.

Mark

 

Imagine what it is like to live here (europe) with a US income..

 

Not trying to start anything, but for people that can barely pay for the tool, let alone the tune, $50 is a lot. That brings me to another point. If you do the math an RMW custom tune cost $600 last time I checked and then add $100 for dyno time which comes to a grand total of around $700. Now these tools are probably going to cost around $400. Then the "generic" tune which is still a really good tune, but not as good as a personal custom tune is going to cost hopefully under $600. This comes to a grand total of a little less than $1000 for a "generic" tune. Now the only advantages of the "generic" tune I can see is that you can change maps on the fly with the tool and not have to wait till Jan comes to your area to tune your car. My point is that I am really hoping that the "generic" tune is nicely discounted because doing the math we are in a sense paying more for a lesser tune. Sorry for the rant, but I really had to get that off my chest.

 

Jan seems to be an exceedingly fair individual. I believe he will do his best to make the "generic tune" affordable for those of us who are struggling to make this fit in our budget. It is after all more money for him in the long run, since if we have the tool he knows we will be dealing with him for all future needs.

I am sure this will work out for all

 

I hope so

 

If a full dyno tune is $600 I sure hope the canned tunes aren't even close to that. The work is already done and he only needs to push one button on his e-mail account to send the tunes to us. If the canned tunes cost $600 I'm out that will just break my bank.

 

Seems pretty simple & reasonable to me:

1) Attend a custom tune session with Jan - $600 + dyno time
or
2) You've already been tuned by Jan - $400ish for the flash tool w/ your choice of tunes he already has on file or updates for you
or
3) Buy the flash tool and take a generic tune - $400ish + $600 for tune
3a) Get a custom tune down the road & update the stored tunes on your tool - $50 + dyno time

Frankly, you've got to pay to play. If there was a larger market for the MINI, the cost of most mods would be cheaper for us all. Sadly, it's not. To put it in perspective, the JCW tuning kit for the R55/R56/R57 (intake/exhaust/tune) is at least $2000 installed at the cheapest (roughly).

 

You are completely missing the point. A generic tune should not be the same price as a custom tune. I mean if everyone had thousands of dollars to throw around then by all means make the tune the same price.

 

The price of a generic tune is not the cost of sending an email to someone. It is called intellectual property and has a value...

 

if people can "barely pay for the tool", then they should not be spending that money in the first place. Just my thoughts....

 

I disagree. It may be your opinion that they should cost a different amount, but that doesn't magically make it so. It costs what it costs and what the market will bear. With a limited market & the limited number of tuning options available to us I'd say it's a relative bargain. I would think that with the mods you have listed in your sig that you would have a good grasp of this.

 

As of right now Jan is looking at over 60k in sales for tools and tunes. There isn't to much overhead I assume being a small company. To me thats a pretty good market share if he is going to make 60k in a weeks time.

 

60k of product is not 60k in profit.

Jan has already said earlier in this thread, he is nearly selling the tools at cost.

Also keep in mind the amount of money he has invested in Dimsport tuning equipment/software...its in the 10's of thousands.

 

Not if he's selling the flash tool at as close to cost as I understand he is. Take out those who have already been tuned and are just buying the tool and you cut it down even further. I know Jan has other expenses involved in bringing his work to market as well. Regardless, did I miss the rule where a vendor is only allowed to make back his costs?

 

Did it for 5 years

 

Also don't forget that Jan is taking the customs fees and shipping out-of-hide.

 

It is all about what people will pay and what Jan will charge. People can decide not to purchase what Jan has to offer. But as of right now Jan has the market covered. He can charge all he wants for the tool, where else are you going to get it? Jan seems to be a reasonable guy and as far as I am concerned the price is not outragous. Eventually more people will do it and have a tool. Jan has a following from his work on R53 and now to R56/55. Everyone raves about his work and the results.

 

Jan, count me in please!!

 

Is $415 the final discount price or is it going to come down more?

Put me down for one willsblackmini08 (Will Marty)-Thank You Uncle Sam!!!!

 

it will come down more
there will be a special pricing involved AND I will lay it out so everyone knows exactly where they stand and why

 

Jan,

Please count me in too, due for a service soon, need to temporarily flash your tune out for that :-)

 

That's kind of what I was thinking. David, no offense but looking at your signature you've spent thousands of dollars in mods right down to LED city lights???, I don't see where all of a sudden 50 bucks makes a difference.



I drove to KY 7-8 hours for a tune. I not only paid 500 bucks for a tune but because I had issues, I spent 200 for dyno time.

THEN, I drove to FL (another 8-9 hours) for a retune. Though I didn't get the tune done, I spent ANOTHER 200 bucks in dyno time.

Now, when Jan shows up in town again, I have to put my car back on the dyno which hopefully will only be for an hour's worth of dyno time.

Having said that, it's simple. Spend 600 on a custom dyno tune and forget about it.

The main purpose of the tool is to remove the aftermarket tune if you take your car to the dealer, it's not to keep changing tunes. I mean really, who changes tune that often?

You gotta pay to play.

Mark

 

Yo! OC you did not change your tune (really), but your building up dyno time like crazy.

All things considered for the R56, Jan's tunes are great and I am happy to see a flashing tool being made available.

Btw, worth it to me to have Jan put my base on the tool, my original tune and possibly another tune in the future for track usage with 98 octane.

Plus I really want some burble.

 

Jan's tune's are hardly generic, this tool's just a convenience surcharge, and I'd forgo the group buy discount to have it right now

 

Yum...I didn't even think of that! I foresee a 100 octane tune in my future..... A while back, Jan got like 270+ ft-lbs from an R56 he tuned for 100 octane!

The burble is far too addicting. You'll find yourself lifting off the throttle when cruising just to hear the rumble or revving it at stop lights to hear it pop! If you rev it just right when the pipes are nice and hot, you'll get an amazingly deep single "POP", where you are convinced flames had to have shot out the back haha . Maybe "pop", isn't the right word....its more of a "POW!"