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Old Jan 19, 2010 | 07:29 PM
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Mini Cooper S Launch Control!!!!

Just wondering if such thing available in Market for Automatic Mini!!!
 
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Old Jan 20, 2010 | 03:37 AM
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You already have "manual" launch control. Follow these steps and you can launch any automatic car:
1. Find your stall speed.
a. In an empty parking lot, or somewhere desolate, put one foot down HARD on the brake pedal and then slowly apply the gas pedal until the rpms come up and stop rising. that is the stall speed that I will refer to later.
b. write this number down, mark it on your gauge face with a non permanent marker, or memorize the needles position. you will need this later.

2. Practice.
a. Using the 2 foot technique (one on gas and one on brake) determine the amount of brake pedal pressure needed to hold the car in place with the engine at the stall RPM.
b. Now with your foot on the brake with the needed amount of pressure slowly raise the engine RPM to the stall, then drop back from the stall by 200 RPM.
c. Finally, this is the tricky part where you need coordination. Release the brake pedal WHILE mashing the gas. the 2 actions have to happen at the same time, if you bounce off the stall your launch is ruined.

Thats pretty much all you have to do to launch your automatic Mini.
 
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Old Jan 20, 2010 | 06:33 AM
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And that, my friends, is why drag racing is like dog years to cars. In terms of wear-and-tear, 1 quarter mile on the strip is probably equal to 100 miles on the street. But hey cars are tools and MINIs are fun tools.
 
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Old Jan 20, 2010 | 07:15 AM
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MINI launch control = right foot.
 
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Old Jan 20, 2010 | 09:09 AM
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Yep, that's what I use too, works a treat!

Of course I don't drag race my car so it's not really critical for me.....
 
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Old Jan 20, 2010 | 09:25 AM
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I don't drag race my Mini, but I use this "launch control" when I need to and it works well. As long as you don't frequently do this it should not be that damaging to your Mini. I mean that's what the torque convertor in automatics are supposed to do. Also if you do this try not to do it back to back to back. Let the transmission cool down by light driving for around 10-15 minutes.
 
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Old Jan 20, 2010 | 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Helix13mini
1 quarter mile on the strip is probably equal to 100 miles on the street.
I wouldn't go THAT far with it...

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I don't drag race my Mini, but I use this "launch control" when I need to and it works well. As long as you don't frequently do this it should not be that damaging to your Mini. I mean that's what the torque convertor in automatics are supposed to do. Also if you do this try not to do it back to back to back. Let the transmission cool down by light driving for around 10-15 minutes.
^ And that's why. Auto's are made to slip, but gettin' on the brake and gas will just heat up the tranny which is never good.

Davidoyo: you got it right, but I'm not quite understanding why the -200 revs from the stall is for? The more gas, the more boost yer gonna build from off the line (aka brake boosting) giving you the instant power FROM the line that a manual tranny car can't achieve without burning the hell out of a clutch, which takes a LOT more skill. My g/f gets me off the line every time with this method (she's a former drag racer) in her R57. Heavier, and under powered... but depending on MY launch, I'm already caught up by 1/8 mile or less.
 
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Old Jan 20, 2010 | 11:57 AM
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brake boosting isn't as easy in our car as say a WRX or Evo... the ECU won't let you do it much, i've been able to do brake boosting to only 8PSI and then the car starts venting boost... tried many variations to help, with sport on, off, dsc on and off (obviously off is better though) and nothing really fixes it at all...

but for those of us who don't have automatic transmissions, the best way to launch a FWD turbo car that has big boost lower in the RPM range... Drop clutch won't work as well unless you feather the throttle along with clutch pedal, otherwise you'll bog or the torque will just break your tires loose. i found that 3000 is a good rpm to be at... the boost won't be high enough to break tires and the revv drop won't bog at that point.

launch style for the 2.0L WRX works well for me... you basically pulse the revvs between 2.5k and 3.5k and as you do that boost will build, then as you push the accelerator you at the same time release the clutch in the same ratio.... that way the clutch is slipped in a way that's aggressive without being a drop clutch and the engine is gaining speed as the friction grows, effectively getting rid of bog and having enough boost to get you moving without losing traction
 
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Old Jan 20, 2010 | 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by LiLReD1
I wouldn't go THAT far with it...



^ And that's why. Auto's are made to slip, but gettin' on the brake and gas will just heat up the tranny which is never good.

Davidoyo: you got it right, but I'm not quite understanding why the -200 revs from the stall is for? The more gas, the more boost yer gonna build from off the line (aka brake boosting) giving you the instant power FROM the line that a manual tranny car can't achieve without burning the hell out of a clutch, which takes a LOT more skill. My g/f gets me off the line every time with this method (she's a former drag racer) in her R57. Heavier, and under powered... but depending on MY launch, I'm already caught up by 1/8 mile or less.
The -200 revs from stall is mainly to be used for fwd cars. Because there is so much weight on the front tires, launching right at stall speed will just cause excess wheel spin. If you drop it 200 rpms though you will not get as much or any wheel spin making you faster off the line.
 
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Old Jan 20, 2010 | 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by dunphyj
brake boosting isn't as easy in our car as say a WRX or Evo... the ECU won't let you do it much, i've been able to do brake boosting to only 8PSI and then the car starts venting boost... tried many variations to help, with sport on, off, dsc on and off (obviously off is better though) and nothing really fixes it at all...

but for those of us who don't have automatic transmissions, the best way to launch a FWD turbo car that has big boost lower in the RPM range... Drop clutch won't work as well unless you feather the throttle along with clutch pedal, otherwise you'll bog or the torque will just break your tires loose. i found that 3000 is a good rpm to be at... the boost won't be high enough to break tires and the revv drop won't bog at that point.

launch style for the 2.0L WRX works well for me... you basically pulse the revvs between 2.5k and 3.5k and as you do that boost will build, then as you push the accelerator you at the same time release the clutch in the same ratio.... that way the clutch is slipped in a way that's aggressive without being a drop clutch and the engine is gaining speed as the friction grows, effectively getting rid of bog and having enough boost to get you moving without losing traction
Right on, didn't know about the 8psi thing. That's interesting cause I wouldn't know since we don't have a boost guage on her car. I can't drop the clutch at all with my car, hell I can't even just mash the gas in first gear without spinning... road has to be perfectly clean, but even then at times... can I say, run flats SUCK! Hate these tires.

Brake boosting a WRX or Evo is a lot easier cause you can keep the wheels from spinning via e-brake. You slip the clutch, but I wouldn't do that long if ya ask me.

I used to drop the clutch at 6,000 rpms in my VR-4 back in the day on the stock clutch, which wasn't grabby enough that it would slip it pretty close to perfect, and launch faster than anything stock at that time that I'd been in. Would even beat 10-second Mustangs off the line, lol. HARD launch there.

Originally Posted by Davidoyo
The -200 revs from stall is mainly to be used for fwd cars. Because there is so much weight on the front tires, launching right at stall speed will just cause excess wheel spin. If you drop it 200 rpms though you will not get as much or any wheel spin making you faster off the line.
Don't have that problem in my gf's R57... she just ***** and g!ts!
 
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Old Jan 20, 2010 | 08:53 PM
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Will this steps work for 1st Gen CVT ?
 
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Old Jan 20, 2010 | 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by vodka
Will this steps work for 1st Gen CVT ?
I know of better ways to spend your Tax return than powerbraking a cvt
 
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Old Jan 20, 2010 | 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesHunt
I know of better ways to spend your Tax return than powerbraking a cvt
Used to do it all the time in my CVT A4....

Drove the pants off that car...never had an issue.
 
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Old Jan 20, 2010 | 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by ThumperMCS
Used to do it all the time in my CVT A4....

Drove the pants off that car...never had an issue.

Good to hear that . Makes me feel better about doing it.
 
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Old Jan 24, 2010 | 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by dunphyj
launch style for the 2.0L WRX works well for me... you basically pulse the revvs between 2.5k and 3.5k and as you do that boost will build, then as you push the accelerator you at the same time release the clutch in the same ratio.... that way the clutch is slipped in a way that's aggressive without being a drop clutch and the engine is gaining speed as the friction grows, effectively getting rid of bog and having enough boost to get you moving without losing traction
the mini will not break spool! why in gods name would anyone want to break spool a car that makes peak boost almost instantly. you are launching your wrx WAY wrong but this is how you should do it for the mini. if you ever want lessons how to launch a wrx or sti let me know.
 
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Old Jan 25, 2010 | 11:19 AM
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Do they have a WOT box for the manuel versions?
 
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Old Oct 24, 2011 | 12:37 PM
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Tried to order one of these today and was refunded and told they will not fit the Mini eventhough it says so on their site.

Apparently the ECU does not like it.
 
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Old Oct 24, 2011 | 01:59 PM
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I did this with a rental Mustang while at vacation. You go off the line so quick, it feels great!

Originally Posted by Davidoyo
You already have "manual" launch control. Follow these steps and you can launch any automatic car:
1. Find your stall speed.
a. In an empty parking lot, or somewhere desolate, put one foot down HARD on the brake pedal and then slowly apply the gas pedal until the rpms come up and stop rising. that is the stall speed that I will refer to later.
b. write this number down, mark it on your gauge face with a non permanent marker, or memorize the needles position. you will need this later.

2. Practice.
a. Using the 2 foot technique (one on gas and one on brake) determine the amount of brake pedal pressure needed to hold the car in place with the engine at the stall RPM.
b. Now with your foot on the brake with the needed amount of pressure slowly raise the engine RPM to the stall, then drop back from the stall by 200 RPM.
c. Finally, this is the tricky part where you need coordination. Release the brake pedal WHILE mashing the gas. the 2 actions have to happen at the same time, if you bounce off the stall your launch is ruined.

Thats pretty much all you have to do to launch your automatic Mini.
 
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Old Oct 24, 2011 | 08:28 PM
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i did that launch technique for 5 years in a holden commadore haha and hand no tranny issues. worked a treat.
 
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