Sounds like wheel spin, getting the power to the track.. What tire's was he running?

 

 

they were all stuck using the same tire brand and tire . they had to use the contisportcontact 3 tire. i really know little about that tire , but it sounds like a average high end summer tire. they should of been on slicks or a R coumpound setup.

 

UMMM, sounds less than the ideal tire to get over 300HP too the ground in a front wheel drive Mini Cooper on the quarter mile... I'd think with that much power in a Mini, the clutch would be a major player too. IE: If it had a road course racing clutch, there would be very little slip and with that much power wouldn't you want a little slip? In TF, the fastest cars are the ones with the best clutch sequences and package..

 

Unfotunatley thats not what the Eurotuner GP is about

 

As the car has a standalone ECU as well I would of thought they would of been taking out power in 1st gear.

 

310 HP only for 2.0L, TVS, BVH, Laminova IC, race cams, stand alone ECU, race headers & exhaust + all the goodies? Reliability?
So the 1.8L rotrex makes more at 330 HP?

 

I find it funny how all the drag racing guys on MT seem too know so little about Eurotuner. You all brag about times at the strip and just don't get it when the drag portion of Eurotuner was run on the straight on a road course. I'd really love to see your cars here but it won't happen as the same holds true of Jan going there.
Dragstrip = concrete laucnh pad, traction compound, different asphalt and the list goes on.
Road course in the desert, no launch pad, no traction compound, different asphalt and sand on the track.

The dyno #'s are what they are. Eurotuner used what they had available. Same for everyone.

Ian, you did a great job. I know what it's like to drive on a track you've never been to, let alone a car you never drove before. You've been way to cordial on MT answering questions of what happened. It's great your so well natured. Again, great job.

 

No one wants a slipping clutch. A good clutch is one that can deliver all the power to the wheels

The fastest cars are the ones who FINISH the race... or at least be able to log the fastest lap before it breaks (in the case of Time Attack)

 

strange that EVERY person that is posting negative stuff is from the same camp.......mynes and formerly fireballed...........

Andy............

did you forget that all of the projects you guys were involved in never finished?
The "widow" never even made it off the drag strip........ You remember it went 15.3 sec and 107mph ON A REAL RACE TRACK........

not on the back straight of a road course that wasn't ideal

even with a 2.7sec 60ft it still trapped as high as 110mph and 13.7 even with the head gasket that was damaged before we even went to road course. The damage was done by me as I missed a hose clamp on the radiator and overheated the engine.
the car had so much torque and with the street tires we couldn't even launch it in 1st gear. 2nd gear at 2k launch when stepped on would blow the tires out. The car would spin the tires just jumping on it in 3rd gear @70mph.......sigh.......
trying to compare launching a M45 to this TVS car is just not applicable at all

Ian ONLY got a couple of laps in and was 3rd fastest car there in the morning session, he was still getting to know the track as he had never even run on it before. Time was coming off very quickly .....

You will see my car in Time Attack this year and then everyone can make their own judgement

 

You give out all this crap about being a national champion and how you broke this record and that record yet you managed to miss a hose clamp

It doesn't matter what track, surface it was on it ran 13.5@108

 

which by the way is much faster than 15.3......don't ya think?


this is the problem with responding to people like you... I man up and you still talk

whatever..... bring your car over.........why would you be scared then?

 

You'll have to run faster than 13.5@108 to even make me think about shipping the car over there.

 

For the life of me, I just can't understand why some folks keep trying to use the drag strip as a benchmark for Mini Cooper tuning anyway.. Anybody in their right mind wouldn't choose a front wheel drive short wheel based car for it...

The Mini is and has always been in racing about the road course. Where all of it's history was achieved and where Revolution Mini Works has set real track records and won a NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP!!

I quess until any other tuner can boast accomplishments like that, they are reduced to nick picking....

 

Here come the R56 champs.

 

Drag racing is used because its a good indication of what power a car is running and in this case 13.5@108 != 310whp

We'll see how it does in Time Attack...

 

If it's a good indication of power then why did the Widow trap 15.3 at 107.00 with 415 HP, slower than Jan's car with 300Plus HP. Given your assumption, 300HP is more than 400HP... Sorry but even modern math doesn't work like that....

Just for grins let's take a 500HP Mustang to the dragstrip. First run we use the very best street tires and make a pass, then without doing anything else but remove the rear tires and bolt on slicks, then run it down the track. Be absolutely assured that the SAME CAR WITH THE SAME HORSEPOWER will be faster with the slicks.

Did the slicks by themselves give the engine more horsepower or did the slicks just get more of the available horsepower to the ground and produce a faster time and speed?

Take the same 500 HP Mustang and put the street tires back on it and put it up against a 450 HP Mustang with slicks and I'll bet on the lessor HP car with slicks.

So in conclusion: Using quarter mile times/speed to gauge horsepower is about as useful as -deleted- on a bull....

 

Looks like you've been to the same school of drag racing as Jan


What Jan has omitted from his references of Brian driving the Black Widow is that the car had run a 11.96 @ 127 at 2900lbs.

So now if Ian pops over to race Jan's GP at a Button Willow in a Time Attack round and goes 1.57-1.59 as he's predicted, it'll be okay for me to constantly say that the car runs 2.07 at Buttowillow the quicker time

Fair play to Jan carrying on in the competition because he must know it was hurt when it only pulled 290's then eveentually the 310.

After all he had said he had been tuning it for a couple of months and the min he was expecting was 350+ whp like the Cobalts with the TVS's had been pulling.

 

Sorry Paul but I am a bit older than Jan and my time around drag racing began long before I met him... But he does understand traction and the more horsepower you have the more important it becomes very well.

Now back to the issue, How did all that have anything to do with dragstip times being in the least bit useful in gauging horsepower, which was the statement I responded too?

 

So now the results are out in the open are you going to post your best Dynapack results

 

As a mini owner who was looking for an aftermarket replacement for the M45 I was hoping that the TVS conversion would work.

However given the above results of the bigger TVS 1320 on a 2.0L stoker, with a stand alone ECU does this mean that the TVS 900 will underperform on a 1.6L? Especially since RMW cars in the States are putting out big numbers on M45 blowers eg 280 whp to over 300whp.

What are peoples thoughts?

 

MPH dictates HP, simple as i have 3-400 runs on my Mini, the mph will always be the same unless I get off and abort the run or recently if I melt the tip with the nitrous on.

If you use the same tune the car will run exactly the same et between the 330-1320ft, where its lost is in the first 60ft and with the Mini espically with the early box on the 1-2 shift is past the 60ft.

If Jans GP TVS wasn't loosing power and was in tip top condition I know for sure Ian would of run within 1/2mph on each run, his Et would of varied due to trying different driving techniques trying to get it to hook.

I thought Jans stand alone ECU would of been able to be tiuned to suit the conditions.

 

Funny thing is I keep thinking to myself that I love my combo more and more when I see results like this.

Though I'm looking forward to a turbo / nitrous combo

 

Who the heck is Andy? u got me confussed with someone else

 

You are making something not constant, constant..

The problem is where tire slipage ends or how long it last and the higher the horsepower the more slipage and the longer it last and the less distance there is to attain terminal velocity. Slicks compared too street tires reduce the time/distance the slipage occurs thus lengthening the distance of good traction, resulting in a higher MPH...