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Old Aug 24, 2009 | 05:39 PM
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1.8l vs. 2.0 l

i must have missed a thread along the way but just curious; besides .2 l what's the deal ? does the 1.8 take the standard block to the limit? and the 2.0 l is when you gotta sleeve? or is the 1.8 sleevd also but isn.t bored as much to allow for future rebuilds?
 
Old Aug 24, 2009 | 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by herbie hind
i must have missed a thread along the way but just curious; besides .2 l what's the deal ? does the 1.8 take the standard block to the limit? and the 2.0 l is when you gotta sleeve? or is the 1.8 sleevd also but isn.t bored as much to allow for future rebuilds?
both are sleeved

we are releasing our new Billet stroker crank kits
it will include our Billet crankshaft made from 4340
Stroker rods
RMW stroker pistons
Sleeves
main bearings and rod bearings
these are available now
 
Old Aug 25, 2009 | 02:56 PM
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cool but what's the difference in the two motor? does the 1.8 haveless stroke thus higher revving?
 
Old Aug 25, 2009 | 05:31 PM
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^Yes
Honestly you can build more power than you really need out of a 1.6 the
extra displacement allows you a flatter torque curve
having been in a 2.0L its hard to beleve that its even the same car
the power feels sort of like one of my small block corvettes
now with that tvs.....
Look out
 
Old Sep 2, 2009 | 01:19 AM
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wow 2.0L mini... i'm in orange and work in irvine do you need any guinea pigs?
 
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wow 2.0L mini... i'm in orange and work in irvine do you need any guinea pigs?
It's not new.

I'm putting a 1.8L in my car with the Rotrex SC. I also work in Irvine so sometime in October your welcome to stop by and go for a ride.

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It's not new.

I'm putting a 1.8L in my car with the Rotrex SC. I also work in Irvine so sometime in October your welcome to stop by and go for a ride.

LB

bring diapers
 
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I just found out my parts are on the way back from Swain . They shipped yesterday .

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I just found out my parts are on the way back from Swain . They shipped yesterday .

LB

better than expected turn around

too bad the extra special parts won't be done in time

cams are "out for delivery" woo hoo........
 
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It's really troubling that, when I'm out flogging my car, occassionally I think "dude, this can't be helping the engine" and then I think "well, if it blows up, then I can stroke it".

Good thing my wife doesn't read this board.
 
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does the 1.8 L have fewer crank trigger problems than the 2.0 L ?
 
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does the 1.8 L have fewer crank trigger problems than the 2.0 L ?
They have no problem as they use the stock crank trigger.

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Originally Posted by Longboard Mini
They have no problem as they use the stock crank trigger.

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if this is the case, perhaps Jan should explain why my buddy Victors' car cannot make it to the track. He has been told that it is a crank trigger problem. much $$$ spent w/ little to no results.
 
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I saw that there were multiple cranks made - and the other thread on this forum makes it to seem as if they were for sale. (no price listed though)

I was curious if there was a test motor involved during the development of this design. If there was, there should be some technical data and baseline performance numbers.

Why would a customer want to purchase this without any hard data?

It is defiantly a beautiful piece and it seems all the right steps are being taken for it to be a wonderful piece, but I am sure the consumers want a little meat and potatoes aka information about the product.

If all goes well, I'm sure it will be a hot seller! The lack of displacement (1.6L) is a huge drawback for that real power-band grunt!

Look forward to hearing how the first motor with the new internals turns out! Hopefully we can get some numbers with a M45 blower still attached too!

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Lets face it the chances of one of these cranks failing will be so remote its untrue, the only chance of it having an option to fail is;

The worst metal availble to man being used

The worst machine and operator grinding the cranks

To much horsepower being developed


Knowing Jan like I do it'll be none of the above
 
Old Sep 3, 2009 | 01:23 AM
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Originally Posted by bean
if this is the case, perhaps Jan should explain why my buddy Victors' car cannot make it to the track. He has been told that it is a crank trigger problem. much $$$ spent w/ little to no results.
You mean he's not setting records at the track

So like Longboard said if the OEM crank trigger is being used in the old RMW stroker kits, how does welding metal to the crank and offset grinding the crank cause a crank trigger problem
 
Old Sep 3, 2009 | 05:01 AM
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What's the bore and stroke on the 1.8 and the 2.0?
 
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Originally Posted by M3NTAL
I saw that there were multiple cranks made - and the other thread on this forum makes it to seem as if they were for sale. (no price listed though)

I was curious if there was a test motor involved during the development of this design. If there was, there should be some technical data and baseline performance numbers.

Why would a customer want to purchase this without any hard data?

It is defiantly a beautiful piece and it seems all the right steps are being taken for it to be a wonderful piece, but I am sure the consumers want a little meat and potatoes aka information about the product.
All the big go-fast part companies for other makes put out a fair amount of empirical data for their stroker kits but for some odd reason there is no actual empirical data on "these" stroker kits just types of parts, components and materials which can denote heresay. To get an idea of the correct data you should do to announce new parts or kits

The AMS EVO IV/V/VI/VII/VIII/IX Stroker Kit increases the displacement of your 4G63 from 2.0 liters to 2.3 increasing torque output by 10-15%. The increase in torque will result in spool up 400-500 rpm sooner than the 2.0. Road racers will pull through corners better and drag racers will pull harder down the 1320 with the added torque. Take some advice from the V-8 guys: "There is no replacement for displacement"

Features
  • Increases torque by 10-15%
  • Turbo spool up improved by 400-500 rpm
Kit Includes
  • New Crankshaft
  • Manley Rods
  • Ross Pistons
  • ARP Main studs
  • Crank & Connecting Rod Bearings
Specifications
  • Displacement: 2.3 liters / 2300CC
  • Stroke: 100mm
  • Compression Ratio: 8.9:1
Recommended Max Engine Speed
  • 7800 rpm Road Racing (endurance)
  • 8200 rpm Drag Racing
Applications
  • Mitsubishi Evolution 4, 5, 6, 7, 8,
  • Fits all USDM, JDM and European Models
Please Note: Due to the increase in stroke you will have to slightly clearance the inside of your engine block when installing this or any other stroker kit. These two contact points will become apparent after you install the rotating assembly and carefully turn the crankshaft.
 

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Checkmate - that is what I was kind of looking for too, but I'm not jumping the gun here since this was not an official product release in the vendor section. The other thread with photos was more like "Hey, this is kinda an update - we are starting production on cranks" - get people a little excited ya know..
 
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What's the price difference between a 1.8L and a 2.0L?
 
Old Sep 5, 2009 | 01:32 PM
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Honestly my guess would be not much
being they both use custom built cranks rod and pistons
both need to be sleeved and ideally you would be buying the head to go with it.
 
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i just want to know the differences in the two . didnt know it was all top secret an.

EDIT: Edited for clean language.
 

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jan: it appears that you are still reading this thread. can you tell me, or at least victor, why his car won't run? i was seriously going to do this, but victor's results have me reeling. i only feel bad because i suggested that he talk to you about building his race motor. you talk a lot about your track results, but victor cannot even make it to the track.
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Hm. turns out theres a stroker for sale in the marketplace.
 



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