Drivetrain (Cooper S) MINI Cooper S (R56) intakes, exhausts, pulleys, headers, throttle bodies, and any other modifications to the Cooper S drivetrain.

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Old Jun 14, 2009 | 12:57 AM
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Noz

anybody hooked up a venom or noz package on a r56?
 
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Old Jun 14, 2009 | 07:58 AM
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Old Jun 14, 2009 | 09:47 AM
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why did that guy make a sad face. i was looking into it spoke to nos (holley) and you would have to get a wet kit and figure out where to tap power on your own and with stock internals you would not want more than a 50 shot
 
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Old Jun 14, 2009 | 09:50 AM
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welll there would be my second question are the aftermarket internals available at this point or would it be a whole custom deal???
 
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Old Jun 14, 2009 | 09:57 AM
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i think rmw makes pistons not sure tho
 
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Old Jun 14, 2009 | 11:42 AM
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Yea really, any heavy duty engine components so we don't end up throwing rods on the floor?
 
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Old Jun 14, 2009 | 06:07 PM
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why did that guy make a sad face. i was looking into it spoke to nos (holley) and you would have to get a wet kit and figure out where to tap power on your own and with stock internals you would not want more than a 50 shot
Because I just came off of one of the biggest ricer forums on the net and this is the OP's first post. It's a knee jerk reaction.

There are PROVEN, RELIABLE powermakers already available, bolting a nitrous kit onto a modern engine doesn't work the way it used to, I have a feeling the ECU is going to go haywire without any proper tuning, plus the amount you're going to be able to use would be insignificant IMO. Plus MINI's already whiny about their warranty, this would kill it for sure.

You'd be better off using nitrous on the intercooler, getting a sprayer to keep intake temps low.

I'd never put nitrous in an engine, pretty much period.
 
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Old Jun 14, 2009 | 06:27 PM
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I'd never put nitrous in an engine, pretty much period.
Don't knock it till you try it. I ran a 50 shot on my R53 for a while with stock internals. It was ridiculously fast. Nothing broke.
 
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Old Jun 14, 2009 | 08:11 PM
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Don't knock it till you try it. I ran a 50 shot on my R53 for a while with stock internals. It was ridiculously fast. Nothing broke.
And i've heard enough stories of things going horribly wrong to not want to try it. I'm not a scientist or a mechanic, so I don't think an anecdote war is going to solve this.
 
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Old Jun 14, 2009 | 08:14 PM
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And i've heard enough stories of things going horribly wrong to not want to try it. I'm not a scientist or a mechanic, so I don't think an anecdote war is going to solve this.
Okay you've heard stories but I've actually experienced it myself. Nitrous will only harm your engine if used improperly.
 
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Old Jun 15, 2009 | 07:07 AM
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Okay you've heard stories but I've actually experienced it myself. Nitrous will only harm your engine if used improperly.
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For those interested here's a video of me installing it on a rental car.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrP3kiUm1K8&fmt=18
 
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Old Jun 15, 2009 | 07:38 AM
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For those interested here's a video of me installing it on a rental car.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrP3kiUm1K8&fmt=18
Nice video, you should have sprayed it more, you had the insurance.
 
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Old Jun 15, 2009 | 11:37 AM
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Definitely entertaining video...

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Old Jun 15, 2009 | 06:53 PM
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Okay you've heard stories but I've actually experienced it myself. Nitrous will only harm your engine if used improperly.
But how do you define improperly? That's my point. You usually don't know you're doing something improperly until things, very expensive things, start to break.

And as you probably know from the lack of tuning, the R56 ecu is much different than the R53. I don't know how it would react to seeing that much of an increase in air/fuel ratio.

I know there's a 'right way' and a 'wrong way' to use nitrous. But since you had a good experience doesn't mean it translates to other cars, or that it will be done correctly, or even that you yourself won't be paying for it down the road. That's what i'm getting at.

After all the movies came out, people view it as cheap speed, and a whole lot of companies put out kits that weren't properly engineered, people didn't understand how to use them, and then on top of it all, engine management has evolved. General ignorance and corporate technological advancements don't mix well.

I don't want to start an ebattle, but that's my opinion, and nothing short of an engineer familiar with the MINI will change that, because I don't want to risk it.
 
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Old Jun 15, 2009 | 07:45 PM
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But how do you define improperly? That's my point. You usually don't know you're doing something improperly until things, very expensive things, start to break.

And as you probably know from the lack of tuning, the R56 ecu is much different than the R53. I don't know how it would react to seeing that much of an increase in air/fuel ratio.

I know there's a 'right way' and a 'wrong way' to use nitrous. But since you had a good experience doesn't mean it translates to other cars, or that it will be done correctly, or even that you yourself won't be paying for it down the road. That's what i'm getting at.

After all the movies came out, people view it as cheap speed, and a whole lot of companies put out kits that weren't properly engineered, people didn't understand how to use them, and then on top of it all, engine management has evolved. General ignorance and corporate technological advancements don't mix well.

I don't want to start an ebattle, but that's my opinion, and nothing short of an engineer familiar with the MINI will change that, because I don't want to risk it.
I did my research and knew what the car could handle. I didn't just order the kit, slap it in, put the biggest nozzle on and pray nothing would go wrong. I spent a long time figuring out what the limits were and how to effectively go about it by talking to people who had a lot of experience with it on their R53. Just don't let the nos go to your head and know the safety side of it. And btw, I probably sprayed about 20 bottles through my motor. That was over 20,000 miles ago and I haven't had any repercussions yet.

The M7/Venom Nitrous Kit is a revolutionary nitrous oxide system that will take nitrous use to the next level for the MINI Cooper S. Gone are the days of hoping that the amount of nitrous you've injected into your motor won't melt a piston or two.

This high-tech system monitors the O2 Sensor, Throttle Position Sensor, Fuel Injectors and Nitrous Solenoid. We didn't forget about tactile feedback with our system either! The M7/Venom System features a Nitrous Management Module that compares air/fuel ratios and throttle position with the amount of nitrous injected, ensuring that a dangerous lean condition will not occur. Our system shows current air/fuel ratio (either rich or lean) at a glance and arms the system with the throw of a switch.

The M7/Venom Nitrous Management Module is so sophisticated that it will override your engine's ECU and take control of the fuel injection, changing the pulse-width of all of the injectors to add more fuel under high load.
 
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Old Jun 15, 2009 | 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by cartar452
I did my research and knew what the car could handle. I didn't just order the kit, slap it in, put the biggest nozzle on and pray nothing would go wrong. I spent a long time figuring out what the limits were and how to effectively go about it by talking to people who had a lot of experience with it on their R53. Just don't let the nos go to your head and know the safety side of it. And btw, I probably sprayed about 20 bottles through my motor. That was over 20,000 miles ago and I haven't had any repercussions yet.
So why'd you stop?
 
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Old Jun 16, 2009 | 05:32 AM
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So why'd you stop?
I put it in at the beginning of summer and when I went back to college I found I didn't really use it. So I stopped filling the tank and just recently took it all out because I might be selling the car soon.
 
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Old Jun 18, 2009 | 07:03 PM
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So I stopped filling the tank and just recently took it all out because I might be selling the car soon.
good idea. I wouldn't buy a used car that had an empty NOS tank in it!
 
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Old Jun 18, 2009 | 11:06 PM
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IMO NOS is worth if you are smart about it. You can run up to a 75 shot on stock internals and be "ok". But pushing it much over that and there can be severe problems. And if you car is running super rich the unburnt fuel will detonate in the exhaust and blow a huge hole in the pipe like my buddies Impreza. With a turbo just do meth injection and crank the timing up that will add some serious power.
 
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