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Old May 28, 2009 | 12:17 AM
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GRS water to air cooler

I am writing this post in NAM because I am thinking to upgrade my ALTA v2 intercooler with the GRS chargecooler.

http://www.grsmotorsport.co.uk/minichargecooler.htm

Has anybody here replaced his intercooler with this chargecooler?
Has anybody replaced his intercooler with any other chargecooler?

I am looking forward to advantages and disadvantages of doing so.

If you are familiar with this subject please write your opinion!
Thank you very much in advance
 
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Old May 28, 2009 | 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by thanosman
I am writing this post in NAM because I am thinking to upgrade my ALTA v2 intercooler with the GRS chargecooler.

http://www.grsmotorsport.co.uk/minichargecooler.htm

Has anybody here replaced his intercooler with this chargecooler?
Has anybody replaced his intercooler with any other chargecooler?

I am looking forward to advantages and disadvantages of doing so.

If you are familiar with this subject please write your opinion!
Thank you very much in advance
They are are quality bit of kit
Try over on MT http://www.minitorque.com/forum as a few guys have them on their cars
 
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Old May 28, 2009 | 01:04 AM
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Also try Kavsmotorsports
Fisher aka Ambroz offers a good charge cooler also
http://www.kavsmotorsport.com/conten...15/29/lang,en/
 
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Old May 28, 2009 | 01:44 AM
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i have already seen both of them!!thank you very much...

i am interested though for advantages and disadvantages related to such an installation...

thank you again!
 
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Old May 28, 2009 | 08:24 AM
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Advantages:
Water has a much greater latent heat capacity. Meaning, it can pull more heat out of the intake charge and not suffer as great of a rise in temperature.

Its very good for shorter runs as the water will stay cool and keep intake charge cool during a short run.

Disadvantage:
Because water has a higher latent heat capacity, once it heats up it takes MUCH longer to cool down.

Because of this W2A is normally not the best solution for longer runs ie. road courses.

W2A also weighs much more, and puts all this weight at the front of the car.


To get W2A to be efficient on even long runs you must have quite a large radiator for the system.


These are just SOME of the advantages/disadvantages...but they are the main ones.
 
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Old May 28, 2009 | 03:36 PM
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Its a quality install and uses a large rad to keep it cool. Tested both heavily on rolling roads and track

What more could you want?
 
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Old May 29, 2009 | 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by //MZero
Advantages:
Water has a much greater latent heat capacity. Meaning, it can pull more heat out of the intake charge and not suffer as great of a rise in temperature.

Its very good for shorter runs as the water will stay cool and keep intake charge cool during a short run.

Disadvantage:
Because water has a higher latent heat capacity, once it heats up it takes MUCH longer to cool down.

Because of this W2A is normally not the best solution for longer runs ie. road courses.

W2A also weighs much more, and puts all this weight at the front of the car.


To get W2A to be efficient on even long runs you must have quite a large radiator for the system.


These are just SOME of the advantages/disadvantages...but they are the main ones.
exactly to the point

you need a good heat exchanger, and a big radiator too cool the water as much as possible

i myself use a radiator salvaged from a smart ( there its used to cool the entire engine only using a fan )
fits perfectly ( very tight fit ), doesn't cost much and works great


and a "slightly" modified oem intercooler ( cause it has a great heat exchange grid )

 

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Old May 29, 2009 | 11:19 AM
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Thats one hell of an exchanger for such a small cooler! Whats your temps like??
 
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Old May 29, 2009 | 11:57 AM
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i didn't really have any equipment to measure the temp.
i only did a bevor ( GP intercooper ) / after with my hand ( put on the right aluminium thing,the one going down to the inlet manifold. dont know what its called )

before-> it always was a little bit warm. ( not as burning hot as the other side but still warm ) if i did a lot of stop and go it got really warm...
after -> its ice cold everytime. even if i do a series of 0-60 runns in a row.

a while ago i was on a dyno and the guy forgot to start the cooling fan -> did 2 runns without any cooling before he noticed... ( the right side that goes to the inlet manifold was still ice cold )
then a third run with the fan on -> there was only a difference of ~0,8hp ( on all 3 runs )

that all shows me -> it works perfectly
 
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Old May 30, 2009 | 03:48 AM
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Originally Posted by 2mD
exactly to the point

you need a good heat exchanger, and a big radiator too cool the water as much as possible

i myself use a radiator salvaged from a smart ( there its used to cool the entire engine only using a fan )
fits perfectly ( very tight fit ), doesn't cost much and works great


and a "slightly" modified oem intercooler ( cause it has a great heat exchange grid )

Very nice set up
 
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Old May 30, 2009 | 04:30 AM
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Mini Madness also supplies a kit. Does anyone have any information or experience on any of these two kits and opinions on which one gives the best performance ?

http://www.mini-madness.com/index.as...ROD&ProdID=130

http://www.grsmotorsport.co.uk/minichargecooler.htm

Hey thanosman sorry for the highjack...
 
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Old Jun 4, 2009 | 02:13 AM
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no problem
 
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