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Old Jan 24, 2009 | 07:22 PM
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Alta Turbo Inlet Hose performance increase

After waiting very patiently for my new Alta turbo inlet hose to arrive I finally installed in a couple of days ago. My current set-up is listed in my Sig-o-Matic below.

The SCANGAUGE II is able to report horsepower (HP) readings. I do not attempt to know or understand what it is basing this number or how it is computing it. I can only report the following.

After adding the JCW Stage One Tuning Kit the HP went up by 16 HP.

After adding the Alta turbo inlet hose the HP number increased an additional 6 HP.

How sweet is that

I will be getting it on the dyno in the spring to get the real numbers.
 
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Old Jan 24, 2009 | 08:17 PM
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Sounds great.

One question: how does Scanguage II report HP readings?
 
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Old Jan 24, 2009 | 08:27 PM
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Sounds great.

One question: how does Scanguage II report HP readings?
With the SCANGAUGE II you manually program it in using XGAUGE.

To start, from the HOME screen use MORE>MORE>MORE>XGAUGE
Then in the top right select the number of the XGauge memory you want to use (0 to 24)
Next <EDIT this will take you to the TXD screen
Using the buttons next to + and - after each character the -> in the top right will move to the next character space.
Enter 00 into the TXD screen and press OK> You will be taken to RXF
Enter 400080000000 and press OK> you will be take to RXD
Enter 0000 and press OK> you will be taken to MTH (math)
Enter 000A00170000 and press OK> you will be taken to NAME
You can enter whatever name you would like up to 3 characters, when you are finished press OK>
Lastly press SAVE.


Again it is PFM to me. I just know that the number has gone up with each of the changes.
 
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Old Jan 24, 2009 | 09:01 PM
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i gotta try this with my scangauge, see what happens
 
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Old Jan 24, 2009 | 09:12 PM
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Scottab36,

Thanks for the info, I will try it tomorrow as well.

What is the reading units in? Is it bhp at the crank?
 
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Old Jan 24, 2009 | 09:15 PM
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Scottab36,

One more question, what other interesting things have you programmed into your Scanguage II.
 
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I understand you can program in you MPG to display the tank average on the front end all the time. Not sure I want to do this. It might make me sad since I can't keep my foot off the gas.
 
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Old Jan 25, 2009 | 07:43 AM
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I understand you can program in you MPG to display the tank average on the front end all the time. Not sure I want to do this. It might make me sad since I can't keep my foot off the gas.
Yes, it can be a little depressing. I have averaged 9.5 mpg for a tankfull quite a few times. Actually it seems quite surprising to me but we have to feed the horses.

I am kind of interested in displaying the oil temperature (versus intake or coolant temp). Was wondering if there is a way to program it into Scangauge xgauge.
 
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Old Jan 25, 2009 | 07:49 AM
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Not sure if there is a sensor on the R56 for that. If there is I would love to program that in myself. Just having the water temperature now is terrific!
 
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Old Jan 25, 2009 | 07:58 AM
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i gotta try this with my scangauge, see what happens

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What ECU program are you using to push 21PSI of boost? I would be afraid the the engine would blow apart. In my last ride I was pushing 23PSI of boost but is was a diesel.

The JCW Stage One Tuning Kit pushes about 12.5 PSI of Boost. That should be safe.
 
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Old Jan 25, 2009 | 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by scottab36
After waiting very patiently for my new Alta turbo inlet hose to arrive I finally installed in a couple of days ago. My current set-up is listed in my Sig-o-Matic below.

The SCANGAUGE II is able to report horsepower (HP) readings. I do not attempt to know or understand what it is basing this number or how it is computing it. I can only report the following.

After adding the JCW Stage One Tuning Kit the HP went up by 16 HP.

After adding the Alta turbo inlet hose the HP number increased an additional 6 HP.

How sweet is that

I will be getting it on the dyno in the spring to get the real numbers.

I can't find the Alta Turbo Inlet Tube on their site. Where do I find it??
 
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Old Jan 25, 2009 | 09:31 AM
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ALTA R56 Turbo Inlet Hose - http://www.altaperformance.com

There it is!
 
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Originally Posted by Noegel
Thanks!
 
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Old Jan 25, 2009 | 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by scottab36
What ECU program are you using to push 21PSI of boost? I would be afraid the the engine would blow apart. In my last ride I was pushing 23PSI of boost but is was a diesel.

The JCW Stage One Tuning Kit pushes about 12.5 PSI of Boost. That should be safe.

That's Alta Tune. Why are you only seeing 12.5 PSI, is that Peak? I see on a stock car 1.2 bar that's about 17.4 PSI peak in overboost and 1 bar - 14.5 PSI when it doesn't engage....
 
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Old Jan 25, 2009 | 01:41 PM
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That's Alta Tune. Why are you only seeing 12.5 PSI, is that Peak? I see on a stock car 1.2 bar that's about 17.4 PSI peak in overboost and 1 bar - 14.5 PSI when it doesn't engage....
Not sure about what it was before the JCW kit. I put the boost gauge in after that. I have not found anywhere what the stock R56 boost pressure is. So far 12.5 is peak.

The weather here has been no where close to 50`F (Staying around 0-30`F) so I don't know if that is making a difference.
 
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Old Jan 25, 2009 | 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by SlowB00st
That's Alta Tune. Why are you only seeing 12.5 PSI, is that Peak? I see on a stock car 1.2 bar that's about 17.4 PSI peak in overboost and 1 bar - 14.5 PSI when it doesn't engage....
According to MINI the MCS puts out 0.9 bar and the JCW Hdtp 1.3 bar.(13 and 19 psi respectively)
 
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Old Jan 25, 2009 | 01:53 PM
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i added that hp gauge into my scangauge, kinda interesting
 
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According to MINI the MCS puts out 0.9 bar and the JCW Hdtp 1.3 bar.(13 and 19 psi respectively)
Which JCW, the 2009 factory or the stage one add-on kit?
 
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Which JCW, the 2009 factory or the stage one add-on kit?
The factory JCW.
 
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Old Jan 25, 2009 | 02:07 PM
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According to MINI the MCS puts out 0.9 bar and the JCW Hdtp 1.3 bar.(13 and 19 psi respectively)
The research available shows that the factory R56 Boost is limited to .8 BAR or 11.6PSI. I do not know how you are seeing 13 or 19 PSI boost on a stock R56
 
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Old Jan 25, 2009 | 02:09 PM
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The factory JCW.

Right, a bigger turbo with stronger engine internals. Mine is an 2007 MCS with the stage one tuning kit.
 
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The research available shows that the factory R56 Boost is limited to .8 BAR or 11.6PSI. I do not know how you are seeing 13 or 19 PSI boost on a stock R56
It would depend on where you are measuring. I am certain the MINI is measuring at the outlet of the turbo, and most research will measure at the manifold after the charge has run through a couple feet of boost tubes and a restrictive intercooler.
 
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Old Jan 25, 2009 | 02:15 PM
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It would depend on where you are measuring. I am certain the MINI is measuring at the outlet of the turbo, and most research will measure at the manifold after the charge has run through a couple feet of boost tubes and a restrictive intercooler.
Funny you should mention feet of boost tube. I purchased six feet of boost tube to put my gauge in and it almost was not enough.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9YCRGPRAmQ
 
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Old Jan 25, 2009 | 07:42 PM
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Scottab36,

What is your scangauge reading for MAP? Mine can read up to 18 during max acceleration. I think the reading is in psi.
 
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Stock cooper S should be reading 13.* psi on normal boost and 15.* psi on over boost. The stock car has a MAP sensor just before the throttle(on plastic pipe, clearly visible) and one on the intake manifold, so its reading is not just after the turbo.

BTW early 2007 were more boost friendly meaning it had less controll over the actual output it made at the preset stock boost controller solenoid dutycycle.

you are in colder wheather so you should be able to atain more psi, im at about 70 - 87 F this time of year if in summer the temps are always ~90+ F
 
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